Jogging in Georgia while black.

[johnny karate]

There aren't single answers to these types of questions, but rather ranges of sensible options. Unfortunately none of them were chosen by any of the involved parties including Arbery.

Do you often blame murder victims for getting murdered? Or just the black ones who get murdered by racist white people?

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Do you often blame murder victims for getting murdered? Or just the black ones who get murdered by racist white people?

What do you think?

 

[johnny karate]

What do you think?

Well, I was looking for subtle behavioral cues in your posts, but I didn’t have quite enough data until this most recent response. Your noncommittal reversal of the question tells me what I need to know. Thanks.

 

[Meadmaker]

I love all the "the sensible thing to do...….", and "he should have...."

Certainly what he did didn't work out so well for him, so if you judge by results, he made a poor choice.

I think a court of law will find that the people chasing him also made a poor choice, that did not work out well for them.

ETA: And we will never know whether a different choice would have worked out better for Arbery, but we can be certain that a different choice would have worked out better for his would-be captors.

 

[quadraginta]

I love all the "the sensible thing to do...….", and "he should have...."

Certainly what he did didn't work out so well for him, so if you judge by results, he made a poor choice.

I think a court of law will find that the people chasing him also made a poor choice, that did not work out well for them.

ETA: And we will never know whether a different choice would have worked out better for Arbery, but we can be certain that a different choice would have worked out better for his would-be captors.

And probably for Arbery as well.

 

[dejudge]

There aren't single answers to these types of questions, but rather ranges of sensible options. Unfortunately none of them were chosen by any of the involved parties including Arbery.

Arbery did sensible things but the idiots killed him. Death is always a probable outcome when chased and ambushed by armed idiots.

 

[smartcooky]

Well, I was looking for subtle behavioral cues in your posts....

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Arbery did sensible things but the idiots killed him. Death is always a probable outcome when chased and ambushed by armed idiots.

Arbery maybe did sensible things until he decided to attack a man holding a shotgun and try to disarm him by grabbing the barrel. There was no ambush. Arbery could've kept running. Death is always a probable outcome when you physically assault a person who is better able to defend himself. It's not rocket science.

 

[lionking]

Arbery maybe did sensible things until he decided to attack a man holding a shotgun and try to disarm him by grabbing the barrel. There was no ambush. Arbery could've kept running. Death is always a probable outcome when you physically assault a person who is better able to defend himself. It's not rocket science.

Watch the most recent video properly. Arbery was shot well before he grabbed the shotgun. It will be hard watching for you, but do it anyway.

 

[Robin]

Arbery could've kept running.

Sure, because people with guns can't kill you when you have your back turned to them.

 

[smartcooky]

Arbery maybe did sensible things until he decided to attack a man holding a shotgun and try to disarm him by grabbing the barrel.

McMicheal shot Arbury in the chest before Arbury attacked him, They were at least 5ft (1.5m) apart when the first shot was fired.

There was no ambush. Arbery could've kept running. Death is always a probable outcome when you physically assault a person who is better able to defend himself. It's not rocket science.

The McMichaels tried to block Arbury's path on Burford Road; he turned back and tried to run away - that's once

Then Bryan (who was following, still on Burford) also tried block his path, but was unable to do so, and Arbury tried to run away again - that's twice

Bryan followed Arbury as he tuned down Holmes Road, and then the McMichaels overtook Bryan down Holmes and tried to block him again, and again Arbury tried to run away - that's three times

Finally, they caught up with him again on Burford road, and blocked him again. Arbury did everything reasonable to avoid getting into a conflict with these scumbags - three times he ran away from them, and three times they hunted him down and the fourth time, when they blocked his path and he ran around their truck, they killed him.

Watch the most recent video properly. Arbery was shot well before he grabbed the shotgun. It will be hard watching for you, but do it anyway.

Indeed, here it is, posted again, specially for Captain Howdy (not that he'll bother to watch it, and even if he does, I'm sure he will make some some other excuse to blame Arbury for being murdered.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007142853/ahmaud-arbery-video-911-georgia.html?smid=pl-share

 

[Meadmaker]

Arbery maybe did sensible things until he decided to attack a man holding a shotgun and try to disarm him by grabbing the barrel. There was no ambush. Arbery could've kept running. Death is always a probable outcome when you physically assault a person who is better able to defend himself. It's not rocket science.

I won't disagree, but I'm not seeing the importance of this assessment.

At the trial of the three men charged in Mr Arbery's death, the wisdom of Mr. Arbery's choice to attempt to wrest control of the shotgun from Travis McMichael will not be an issue. The trial will be about the choices made by the men who were charged. The most significant of those choices will be the choice to threaten Mr. Arbery with a shotgun.

I think that was a very bad choice, and turned out very badly for Travis McMichael, his father, and for Roddy.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I share JoeMorgue’s concern.

I think the big problem isn’t so much how effectively this case is prosecuted, but rather the jury pool in that part of the country.

I did specifically say that I agreed that the jury was a concern, and that I was speaking about whether or not the authorities would themselves undermine the case.

 

[smartcooky]

I won't disagree, but I'm not seeing the importance of this assessment.

At the trial of the three men charged in Mr Arbery's death, the wisdom of Mr. Arbery's choice to attempt to wrest control of the shotgun from Travis McMichael will not be an issue. The trial will be about the choices made by the men who were charged. The most significant of those choices will be the choice to threaten Mr. Arbery with a shotgun.

I think that was a very bad choice, and turned out very badly for Travis McMichael, his father, and for Roddy.

.... and Arbury.

 

[bluesjnr]

Well, I was looking for subtle behavioral cues in your posts, but I didn’t have quite enough data until this most recent response. Your noncommittal reversal of the question tells me what I need to know. Thanks.

Would you be willing to share what is is you've learned and concluded?

 

[Craig4]

Arbery maybe did sensible things until he decided to attack a man holding a shotgun and try to disarm him by grabbing the barrel. There was no ambush. Arbery could've kept running. Death is always a probable outcome when you physically assault a person who is better able to defend himself. It's not rocket science.

A) The cracker was not defending himself.

B) It may have appeared to Arbery that attempting to wrestle the gun away from the cracker may have been his only option for survival. Of course we won't know what was in his head because the cracker murdered him.

 

[dejudge]

A) The cracker was not defending himself.

B) It may have appeared to Arbery that attempting to wrestle the gun away from the cracker may have been his only option for survival. Of course we won't know what was in his head because the cracker murdered him.

Arbery attempted to evade his killers four times so he probably thought they were going to shoot him.

 

[johnny karate]

I did specifically say that I agreed that the jury was a concern, and that I was speaking about whether or not the authorities would themselves undermine the case.

I saw that and I wasn’t trying to contradict or disagree with you. I was just more using your post as a jumping off point. Apologies if it seemed otherwise.

 

[johnny karate]

Would you be willing to share what is is you've learned and concluded?

It’s a sort of profiling that we all do, based in part on evolution, and in part on our personal experience. We all know this, although some of us like to pretend we don't.

 

[bluesjnr]

It’s a sort of profiling that we all do, based in part on evolution, and in part on our personal experience. We all know this, although some of us like to pretend we don't.

I rather got the impression that you'd garnered some insight into sir-drinks-a-lots personality and was interested to read about this. At least that's what I got from your post.

I must have misunderstood you and will leave at that.