Jogging in Georgia while black.

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Amy I misreading, or did I just see that the proof one one's non-racism is based on the presumption that the victim was part of the "criminal element" but the murderers were not?

You're misreading, badly.

 

[bruto]

You're misreading, badly.

Good. It's hard to tell sometimes.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Good. It's hard to tell sometimes.

It shouldn't be that hard.

 

[JoeMorgue]

It shouldn't be that hard.

Well that happens when people speak in code and dog whistles and the only skill they ever bothered to learn in life is how to be impossible to talk to or reason with.

I eagerly and humbly await your "I know you are but what am I" response.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Well that happens when people speak in code and dog whistles and the only skill they ever bothered to learn in life is how to be impossible to talk to or reason with.

You've got no evidence I'm speaking in code, and if anyone else is I'm unaware. Either I'm not familiar with the code, or you're imagining things. Or, perhaps you're speaking in some sort of secret code.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I eagerly and humbly await your "I know you are but what am I" response.

Or, perhaps you're speaking in some sort of secret code.

*Slow clap*

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

*Slow clap*

After your little rant, it turn out you have nothing but an "I know you are but what am I" response.

Well, enjoy arguing with your imaginary dogwhistlin' debate partner. He seems to show up in every thread that you do.

 

[smartcooky]

Well that happens when people speak in code and dog whistles and the only skill they ever bothered to learn in life is how to be impossible to talk to or reason with.

I eagerly and humbly await your "I know you are but what am I" response.

Or, perhaps you're speaking in some sort of secret code.

The only posters speaking in codes and dog-whistles in this thread are the racists (except Skeptic Tank, who is an open, admitted racist, and much as I despise his vile viewpoints, at least he has the balls not hide them behind bull-**** and double-talk!)

 

[quadraginta]

Because

White guy "sitting alone in his car" is just a guy chilling out, listening to the radio

Black guy "sitting alone in his car" must be suspicious and a criminal who is up to go good

And certain people here buy into this narrative.

But ... but ...

He was wearing a ... jacket!!!

(Good thing he wasn't wearing a hoodie. They would have shot him on the spot, and then asked what he was doing there.)

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

The only posters speaking in codes and dog-whistles in this thread are the racists (except Skeptic Tank, who is an open, admitted racist, and much as I despise his vile viewpoints, at least he has the balls not hide them behind bull-**** and double-talk!)

Maybe you'll be the one to come up with the evidence.

 

[lionking]

Maybe you'll be the one to come up with the evidence.

His behavior in the video suggests a certain kind of character that suggests to me he's more like to be involved in criminal activity. Mode of dress, confrontational manner with police, and many more subtle behavioral cues I've picked up upon from being part of and associating with the criminal elements of society.

You’re welcome.

 

[quadraginta]

I share JoeMorgue’s concern.

I think the big problem isn’t so much how effectively this case is prosecuted, but rather the jury pool in that part of the country.

Look no further than this case as an example of what I’m talking about.

Bullet points:

White guy shoots up a car full of black teenagers over a dispute about loud music, killing one of them.

White guy flees the scene and is apprehended sometime later 200 miles away.

White guy claims self-defense.

During the trial, every bit of evidence that could corroborate his self-defense claim is refuted.

And the jury still came back hung on the first degree murder charge.

Luckily, he was retried and found guilty, and is now rotting in prison.

When you look at the details of this case, it’s mind-boggling that any juror could come back with anything other than guilty on the murder charge.

But then when you consider that the trial took place in Florida, it becomes easier to understand.

Florida Man wishes to express his gratitude to Georgia Man for taking some of the spotlight off of him for a while.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

You’re welcome.

I'm sure your imagination is working overtime with code words.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

A bigger hurdle about their claim that they thought they were pursuing a thief is the fact that he hadn't stolen anything. So they weren't.

The Georgia Citizen's Arrest laws require immediate knowledge of a crime. "We thought he did something wrong" is not "immediate knowledge."

Heck, even if he had taken a doorknob, they had no knowledge of that when they chased him.

Then the sensible thing for Arbery to do would be stop running, wait for the cops to arrive, explain that he was just out for a jog and tell the responding officer that he would like Greg and Travis to be arrested for false imprisonment.

 

[smartcooky]

Then the sensible thing for Arbery to do would be stop running, wait for the cops to arrive, explain that he was just out for a jog...

Then it would be his word against the word of an ex-cop.

...and tell the responding officer that he would like Greg and Travis to be arrested for false imprisonment.

Yeah, that's really going to work when the cops are from a redneck state like GA.

Seriously, no black man in the south can hope or expect to ever be treated fairly by the cops.

 

[lionking]

I'm sure your imagination is working overtime with code words.

You might have gotten away with your post in other threads, but not “Black While.....” ones.

 

[lionking]

Then the sensible thing for Arbery to do would be stop running, wait for the cops to arrive, explain that he was just out for a jog and tell the responding officer that he would like Greg and Travis to be arrested for false imprisonment.

Did you miss the re-enactment showing he stopped, changed directions and the hillbillies kept chasing him? Did you see that Arbery had a gun pointed at him?

In other countries and in other states this may have worked, but the risk of stopping in these circumstances were ridiculously risky.

 

[Myriad]

Then the sensible thing for Arbery to do would be stop running, wait for the cops to arrive, explain that he was just out for a jog and tell the responding officer that he would like Greg and Travis to be arrested for false imprisonment.

Since recommending sensible conduct seems to be important here for some reason:

What would the sensible thing for the McMichaels to do, when they saw Arbery running down the street?

What would the sensible thing for William Bryan to do, when he saw the McMichaels heading off with their weapons to chase Arbery?

What would the sensible thing for the McMichaels and Bryan to do, the first time Arbery ran away from the McMichaels instead of stopping to participate in an amicable exchange of views on the street?

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Since recommending sensible conduct seems to be important here for some reason:

What would the sensible thing for the McMichaels to do, when they saw Arbery running down the street?

What would the sensible thing for William Bryan to do, when he saw the McMichaels heading off with their weapons to chase Arbery?

There aren't single answers to these types of questions, but rather ranges of sensible options. Unfortunately none of them were chosen by any of the involved parties including Arbery.

 

[johnny karate]

There are a lot of posts which contain points with which I disagree in this 65 page thread. Of course, I don't respond to them all, but that isn't evidence of tacit agreement. If you think that's a good line of argumentation, realize that it applies to yourself as well. There are plenty of statements to which you've given no reply. Can I attribute all of those thoughts to you?

When you see me demanding that certain statements don’t belong in a thread while ignoring actual examples of that kind of statement, feel free.

Some of them were not so subtle. Some of them were more subtle and based on my particular experiences with and among the criminal element, and some were probably so subtle that my lizard brain picked up on them and I was not even consciously aware. It's a sort of profiling that we all do, based in part on evolution, and in part on our personal experience. We all know this, although some of us like to pretend we don't.

I use a similar method to suss out racists.

I don't know why you keep referring to Arbery just as "a black guy" as if that's all that matters about him. Do you think all black guys are the same?

*sad trombone*

Sorry, you weren’t doing too embarrassingly bad until this clumsy overreach.