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Buying a TV while Black

theprestige said:
None of that makes any sense. I did like the product placement for Sony and Lexus, though.
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The reason it doesn't make any sense is because the article in the OP is crap. There's way more information out there along with video and statements form the cops.
 
ponderingturtle said:
And if most of them are black does it become racist then?

If it wasn't race related why did these cops go nuts on this family and beat them?
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ACAB?

Misunderstanding?

The customers were actually wrong?

The possibilities aren't endless, but they do extend a lot further than knee-jerk "cops are racists" bigotry.
 
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Babbylonian said:
The same car. If you'd read even the OP, you'd have seen that the TV wasn't the only thing purchased on the first trip.
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Heh. I read the OP but missed that bit. I should have known that it was the same car, since they didn't bother to list the make, model, and model year again.

Anyway, I apologize to everyone I took to task for not reading the OP. Turns out my own house is glass, too.
 
theprestige said:
ACAB?

Misunderstanding?

The customers were actually in the wrong?

The possibilities aren't endless, but they do extend a lot further than knee-jerk "cops are racists" bigotry.
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Well they resisted arrest while not having a charge to actually be arrested for so clearly that means the cops were in the right.

The cops are racist, their basic statistics prove it. I know you feel that there is never such a thing as driving while black and the police totally have reasons for stop and frisking mostly blacks and so on. As no individual incident is ever racist the totallity is not racist and those statistics are dirty liberal lies.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Well they resisted arrest while not having a charge to actually be arrested for so clearly that means the cops were in the right.

The cops are racist, their basic statistics prove it. I know you feel that there is never such a thing as driving while black and the police totally have reasons for stop and frisking mostly blacks and so on. As no individual incident is ever racist the totallity is not racist and those statistics are dirty liberal lies.
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Now you're just stereotyping individuals based on statistics.
 
theprestige said:
Now you're just stereotyping individuals based on statistics.
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Got it the statistics that show that black people get harrassed more treated more harshly and so on in no way show any racism and there really is no racism to speak of. It is just that cops explode into violence for no reason on a regular basis and for totally non racist reasons blacks seem to suffer these explosions more than whites but it is totally never about race. It is just that cops are senselessly violent thugs.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Got it the statistics that show that black people get harrassed more treated more harshly and so on in no way show any racism and there really is no racism to speak of. It is just that cops explode into violence for no reason on a regular basis and for totally non racist reasons blacks seem to suffer these explosions more than whites but it is totally never about race. It is just that cops are senselessly violent thugs.
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You're trying to use statistics to prove that these individuals are racists. This attitude is every bit as bigoted as the attitude you're condemning.
 
theprestige said:
You're trying to use statistics to prove that these individuals are racists. This attitude is every bit as bigoted as the attitude you're condemning.
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Not at all, everyone is racist because race colors everyones perceptions constantly. I know there is clearly nothing racist about shooting a black man because his blackness makes him more threatening that a white man in the same situation because it was not someone saying "I'm going to kill a black man" and that is the only kind of killing that can ever be racist in your book.

I know you hate the police so much that you don't think they even need a reason to go crazy and beat the crap out of someone, but why is that so much better than bringing up that these massive over reactions seem to effect different races highly disproportionately?

Everyone is racist the goal is to be less racist, and this situation comes across as pretty damn racist.
 
Everything else is preamble. The actual incident happened at the return counter. I bet we never hear from any other witness or see a video of the start of things there.

It's media grandstanding by the plaintiff' lawyer in a civil suit. Or do you think there are journalists waiting at the court house and reviewing every civil suit that gets filed?
 
The police and the plaintiffs seem to agree on these points:

1. The police knew the licence number of the vehicle the suspect drove and got a good look at him. They therefore knew who the suspect was and could ID him and his address.

2. The Store had CCTV so again the ID of the suspect was no problem. The store would also have all the necessary ID info like name and address.

3. The store could easily and immediately provide information on whether the TV was stolen or not.

4. The TV was returned to the suspect by the police the next day. In other words - turns out it was not stolen.

Sounds like a job for one cop. Not necessarily the best cop you got - just a cop who could see well enough to read (a grade 8 level would be all that was required to read a receipt and check serial numbers) and ask a couple of questions.

The mere fact that 4 cops were involved indicates to me that they were wanting trouble. Not because they expected that the suspect and his mother would cause trouble - it's just that the cops wanted to exert a lot of force on someone and were well aware that they could provoke a response and use a lot of force. Fun times. Gang mentality.

As a former cop - these things make me want to vomit. Police brutality planned and carried out. Again - when you think your only tool is a hammer everything begins to look like a nail.
 
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theprestige said:
A police officer patrolling a supermarket parking lot in Missouri and accusing a black man of stealing the TV he's putting into his car makes some sense, but that just might be my bias talking.

Returning the TV to the store, out of protest over the cop, when the store took your side, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. You've got the TV, why not keep it? "Every time I turn on that TV, I'll remember how badly you were treated in the Sam's Club parking lot. I can't enjoy it now. Better return it." I guess?

Four cops hanging out at the Sam's Club returns counter, waiting to throw a beating at the first black man to show up returning a TV, makes no sense at all. I assume the grievance claimed in the lawsuit is legitimate, but there seems to be a YUGE chunk of context missing from the story.

At least, that's the way it seems to me, as I read the story on my Apple® MacBook Pro™ 15", while sipping the Folger's® Classic Roast™ coffee I brewed in my Mr. Coffee® Optimal Brew™ 10-Cup Programmable Coffee Maker with Thermal Carafe from my Kleen Kanteen® HydroFlask™, over my Xfinity® Performance Starter+™ high-speed Internet connection.
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Subtle?

The fact is this happened and the known facts of the case are not in favor of the alleged law abidingness of everyone in this situation except the black guy and his soon to be 65" richer mama.

Me thinks you're overplaying your bias and gene pool.

I can't actually think like a black American but I can by way of current events and history see why their behavior may not always meet my lily white expectations.

That's just me though. Finding excuses for what passes for bad behavior....like being too honest while black.
 
theprestige said:
I'd like to see this as a horrible misunderstanding, with everyone trying to do the right thing, and somehow ******* it all up horribly.
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For some versions of "doing the right thing"?

I guess you think throwing a 68 year old woman to the ground and smashing three of her 43 year old son's teeth is "doing the right thing"

Of course, I forgot, they're black, so itsOK. Nothing to see here folks!
 
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