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Buying a TV while Black

Still doesn't make a lot of sense.
How about cops aren't always eating doughnuts?

Seriously. I mean if two black people trying to return a TV they legit paid for isn't enough reason for a beating, what is?

Maybe they were dealing crack to other customers while waiting?

I'd rather err on the side of humanity I guess and we've seen what stands for humanity in much of rural and southern US so I'd I think I'll stick with the guy and his ma.
 
The first thing that came to my mind is that a 65in TV couldn’t fit in a Lexus SUV? I was able to fit a 75in one in my smaller Subaru SUV.

LOL. Same here. My 65" LG TV fit in the back of my wife's 10-year-old Lexus, the smallest model they make. Maybe this lady has one of the newer mini-SUV Lexus crossover thingies -- NX?
 
Huh?

The fact is this happened and the known facts of the case are not in favor of the alleged law abidingness of everyone in this situation except the black guy and his soon to be 65" richer mama.
Leaving the begged question of "known facts" aside, I did not and am not challenging the alleged bad behavior of the cops. Indeed, like I said:

I assume the grievance claimed in the lawsuit is legitimate, but there seems to be a YUGE chunk of context missing from the story.
So you seem to be attacking me over something I never did.

Me thinks you're overplaying your bias and gene pool.
This got really personal and racist really fast. What is your problem with me?

I can't actually think like a black American but I can by way of current events and history see why their behavior may not always meet my lily white expectations.

That's just me though. Finding excuses for what passes for bad behavior....like being too honest while black.
I'm glad you feel your self-righteousness is working well for you, but what does any of this have to do with the story or the discussion? I think you're actually the first person to raise the question of the victim's behavior or honesty. Did you mean to be having this slapfight in another thread, with another member, about some other incident entirely?
 
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For some versions of "doing the right thing"?

I guess you think throwing a 68 year old woman to the ground and smashing three of her 43 year old son's teeth is "doing the right thing"

Of course, I forgot, they're black, so itsOK. Nothing to see here folks!

That's pretty dishonest, smartcooky. Why don't you quote the next two sentences in that post, and tell the truth?
 
LOL. Same here. My 65" LG TV fit in the back of my wife's 10-year-old Lexus, the smallest model they make. Maybe this lady has one of the newer mini-SUV Lexus crossover thingies -- NX?
As noted right in the OP (and by me later), they bought other things at the store. Given the bulk nature of the store, filling the car enough so that a giant TV won't fit would be pretty easy.

Also, what's the point of doubting that part of the story in the first place?
 
You can't provide links to stuff you are making up and pulling out of your arse!

Were you[ planning on making an argument that now other, more complete sources for this story exist or are you just being too lazy to go look for yourself ?
 
Well they resisted arrest while not having a charge to actually be arrested for so clearly that means the cops were in the right.

The cops are racist, their basic statistics prove it. I know you feel that there is never such a thing as driving while black and the police totally have reasons for stop and frisking mostly blacks and so on. As no individual incident is ever racist the totallity is not racist and those statistics are dirty liberal lies.

The statistics either prove that, or the other thing.
 
Also, what's the point of doubting that part of the story in the first place?

Why not? It's not like we were solving the world's problems or discussing profound life-changing topics in this thread. A discussion about the relative TV carrying capabilities of different SUVs is as good a digression as any.
 
As noted right in the OP (and by me later), they bought other things at the store. Given the bulk nature of the store, filling the car enough so that a giant TV won't fit would be pretty easy.

Also, what's the point of doubting that part of the story in the first place?

I'm not doubting anything. It just "came to mind" as lionking said. I literally have the same make of car and the same measurement of TV, and it worked. If anything, this story makes me even more likely to keep the old Lexus, which has 120,000 miles on it and still runs great. Maybe the 2018 models got smaller in the back.

There are a zillion details about this story that have yet to be filled in from the OP. I have no idea what really happened here. Four cops just happened to be at the Costco Sam's Club return desk for no reason? Maybe they were having cheap hot dogs for lunch?

ETA - Fixed. I read one of the comments here with the word "Costco" in it and my mind went to the wrong store. I don't even know whether Sam's Club has hot dogs.
 
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How about cops aren't always eating doughnuts?

Seriously. I mean if two black people trying to return a TV they legit paid for isn't enough reason for a beating, what is?
Maybe they were dealing crack to other customers while waiting?

I'd rather err on the side of humanity I guess and we've seen what stands for humanity in much of rural and southern US so I'd I think I'll stick with the guy and his ma.

Thing is, if you could see a video of this incident, start to finish - and a video of every other incident like this which happens, you'd eventually be reacting to a story like this with an attitude of "only black people could manage to turn a TV return into a beating by cops"

Why? Because it's entirely true. The confrontational attitude, the anger, the yelling, the getting in people's faces, the belligerence, the unreasonable approach, the "not taking yes for an answer", the threatening, the incredibly poor reaction to coming up against any sort of store policy, etc. and on and on.

White people see an eye-grabbing headline "black man beaten by cops in checkout line at Target!" or something, and they are aghast because they mentally project themselves and how they interact with people into that scenario and they cannot possibly imagine how it would come to such an outcome.

The missing ingredient? Blackness.
 
Thing is, if you could see a video of this incident, start to finish - and a video of every other incident like this which happens, you'd eventually be reacting to a story like this with an attitude of "only black people could manage to turn a TV return into a beating by cops"

Why? Because it's entirely true. The confrontational attitude, the anger, the yelling, the getting in people's faces, the belligerence, the unreasonable approach, the "not taking yes for an answer", the threatening, the incredibly poor reaction to coming up against any sort of store policy, etc. and on and on.

White people see an eye-grabbing headline "black man beaten by cops in checkout line at Target!" or something, and they are aghast because they mentally project themselves and how they interact with people into that scenario and they cannot possibly imagine how it would come to such an outcome.


Oh, then that must be why the man was being arrested for disorderly conduct, making threats, trespassing after being asked to leave, assault, disturbing the peace...

But, hey look, no, he wasn't. "Resisting arrest." Huh. You'd almost think the store security video of the episode actually won't show any of those things.
 
Also, what's the point of doubting that part of the story in the first place?

Seriously. I don't doubt any part of the story.

All I want to know is, what the hell happened between "we went to return the TV" and "four cops beat the crap out of us at the returns counter".

And also, while I don't doubt they returned it, I am kinda curious why.
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Thing is, if you could see a video of this incident, start to finish - and a video of every other incident like this which happens, you'd eventually be reacting to a story like this with an attitude of "only black people could manage to turn a TV return into a beating by cops"

Why? Because it's entirely true. The confrontational attitude, the anger, the yelling, the getting in people's faces, the belligerence, the unreasonable approach, the "not taking yes for an answer", the threatening, the incredibly poor reaction to coming up against any sort of store policy, etc. and on and on.

White people see an eye-grabbing headline "black man beaten by cops in checkout line at Target!" or something, and they are aghast because they mentally project themselves and how they interact with people into that scenario and they cannot possibly imagine how it would come to such an outcome.

The missing ingredient? Blackness.

Porkpie Hat, I think this is the argument you're looking for. Please leave me out, though. I want no piece of this.
 
All I want to know is, what the hell happened between "we went to return the TV" and "four cops beat the crap out of us at the returns counter".

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If you believe the cops...

Sam's Club said the TV was stolen so cops tried to arrest Derek. Derek resisted and attempted to use a fire extinguisher as a weapon against the cops. Mavia went ballistic and got physical with the cops. The cops called in more cops.

Are the cops lying ? Maybe but since a lawsuit has been filed we're not going to get much more information on this until the suit is settled.
 
And also, while I don't doubt they returned it, I am kinda curious why.
They returned because of indignation over the accusation of stealing the TV. Most likely, the son got the TV home to give to his mom, told her the story, and she got pissed off and told him he needed to return it and, "By the way, I'm going with you to give someone a piece of my mind."

When I was a kid, I was yelled at (for examining a button at an escalator - seriously) by an employee at Montgomery Ward while I was with my grandparents. My grandma told off the manager, paid the balance on their Montgomery Ward credit card, closed the account, and my grandparents never went to one of their stores again...after shopping there regularly for years.

My point being that the indignation that comes when someone feels a close family member has been mistreated...it can be powerful.
 
If you believe the cops...

Sam's Club said the TV was stolen so cops tried to arrest Derek. Derek resisted and attempted to use a fire extinguisher as a weapon against the cops. Mavia went ballistic and got physical with the cops. The cops called in more cops.

Are the cops lying ? Maybe but since a lawsuit has been filed we're not going to get much more information on this until the suit is settled.

... Interesting.

Not to be that guy, and not that I think you should be doing shemp's homework, but do you happen to have a source for that?
 
They returned because of indignation over the accusation of stealing the TV. Most likely, the son got the TV home to give to his mom, told her the story, and she got pissed off and told him he needed to return it and, "By the way, I'm going with you to give someone a piece of my mind."
I figured it was something like that. Just trying to wrap my head around the idea of "we wanted the TV, we have the TV, Sam's Club had our back; let's ditch the TV and yell at Sam's Club". Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
 

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