Jogging in Georgia while black.

[Athyrio]

One thing you’ve got right.

My congrats to perfection. May you rest on your many !aurels.

 

[Athyrio]

Yes, very poor thinking because no-one said anything about pressing charges. You still seem to fail to understand, merely being on another person's property in Georgia by itself is not Trespassing under Georgia Law. Thus, no, he was not trespassing in any legal manner.



Whether you believe he was there for water of not doesn't change the fact that there was nothing illegal in his actions in being there and nor was he trespassing under Georgia Law.

Friend, I simply do not understand anything you just wrote. English must not be your first language or you suffer from some cognetic defiency.

The word trespass means to enter the owners land or property without permission, but you never read my original post, did you? I never said he committed a crime. You are just one of those loose cannon posters who read a couple of posts and then toss a grenade, right?

 

[I Am The Scum]

You know, I will not argue that legal point even though I didn't say he was criminally trespassing which you are speaking of. But that's not even the point here.

First off, show me wherever I said Arbery committed a crime other than his obvious trespassing which everyone now has taken for granted.

Let me know when you make up your mind.

 

[Athyrio]

If he was only alive to explain this utterly irrelevant event....

Again, people are spinning Arbery’s behaviour in order to discredit him. Why are people doing this? I have a few ideas.

Hey, I'm back again. You responded to me with this because I said I didn't buy the water drinking story and your comeback is there I am trying to discredit Arbery? Are you serious?Has this country become that polarized?

 

[smartcooky]

Whether you believe he was there for water of not doesn't change the fact that there was nothing illegal in his actions in being there and nor was he trespassing under Georgia Law.

I am sure you have already posted this, but for Athyrio's benefit (with explanatory notes in red)

Georgia Code Title 16. Crimes and Offenses § 16-7-21

(a) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she intentionally damages any property of another without consent of that other person and the damage thereto is $500.00 or less or knowingly and maliciously interferes with the possession or use of the property of another person without consent of that person.
(Does not apply to Arbury because he did no damage and did not obstruct the rightful owner)


(b) A person commits the offence of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:

(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;(Does not apply to Arbury because no unlawful purpose has been established)


(2) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person after receiving, prior to such entry, notice from the owner, rightful occupant, or, upon proper identification, an authorized representative of the owner or rightful occupant that such entry is forbidden; or
(Does not apply to Arbury because there weren't any "No Entry" or "No Trespassing" signs at the property)
(Does not apply to Arbury because neither the owner nor his agent or representative told him he cannot enter)


(3) Remains upon the land or premises of another person or within the vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person after receiving notice from the owner, rightful occupant, or, upon proper identification, an authorized representative of the owner or rightful occupant to depart.
(Does not apply to Arbury because neither the owner nor his agent or representative instructed him to leave)


(c) For the purposes of subsection (b) of this Code section, permission to enter or invitation to enter given by a minor who is or is not present on or in the property of the minor's parent or guardian is not sufficient to allow lawful entry of another person upon the land, premises, vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft owned or rightfully occupied by such minor's parent or guardian if such parent or guardian has previously given notice that such entry is forbidden or notice to depart.
(Does not apply to Arbury because its not relevant)


(d) A person who commits the offense of criminal trespass shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
(Does not apply to Arbury because its not relevant)


(e) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she intentionally defaces, mutilates, or defiles any grave marker, monument, or memorial to one or more deceased persons who served in the military service of this state, the United States of America or any of the states thereof, or the Confederate States of America or any of the states thereof, or a monument, plaque, marker, or memorial which is dedicated to, honors, or recounts the military service of any past or present military personnel of this state, the United States of America or any of the states thereof, or the Confederate States of America or any of the states thereof if such grave marker, monument, memorial, plaque, or marker is privately owned or located on land which is privately owned.
(Does not apply to Arbury because the building site is not a grave marker, monument, plaque or memorial)
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In short, as it is relevant to this case, you have only committed trespass if

1. You enter a property with criminal intent, and/or
2. You enter a property that is signposted not to enter and/or
3. You enter a property that the owner has told you not to enter, and/or
4. You enter a property and fail to leave when the owner tells you to.

There were no signs, no instructions and Arbury did not take or damage anthying, nor was he instructed to leave, therefore, Arbury was NOT trespassing.

 

[smartcooky]

Actually, Skeptic Tank has very definitely said that. I'm not going to bother providing a quote, but they're out there.

Neither am I.

There is no way I would risk damaging my brain damage by reading the vile and absurd bollocks that Mr Tank posts here.

 

[Athyrio]

Let me know when you make up your mind.

It was poor wording, OK? He merely trespassed, he did not criminally trespass.

I will add once again, that was never the point of my post.

 

[smartcooky]

It was poor wording, OK? He merely trespassed, he did not criminally trespass.

I will add once again, that was never the point of my post.

The word trespass means to enter the owners land or property without permission

No it doesn't.

There is ONE and only ONE meaning of the word "Trespass" that matters, and that is the meaning as defined in the Law; in this case, Georgia Statutes

 

[I Am The Scum]

It was poor wording, OK? He merely trespassed, he did not criminally trespass.

I will add once again, that was never the point of my post.

English must not be your first language or you suffer from some "cognetic defiency."

But since that's not your point, let's wipe the slate clean. First, in the clearest language possible, tell me what your point actually is. After that, we can proceed with your argument.

 

[Athyrio]

No it doesn't.

There is ONE and only ONE meaning of the word "Trespass" that matters, and that is the meaning as defined in the Law; in this case, Georgia Statutes

Again, I am NOT speaking of criminal trespass. I am speaking of the word trespass as defined in the meaning of " entering the owner's land or property without permission".


The word trespassing - probably I should have just said he walked onto the property of someone without their permission, OK?

Sorry if it evoked some agenda you might have. My whole post seems to have flown over everyone's head, but there is a low ceiling here for a reason I suppose.

 

[johnny karate]

Again, I am NOT speaking of criminal trespass. I am speaking of the word trespass as defined in the meaning of " entering the owner's land or property without permission".


The word trespassing - probably I should have just said he walked onto the property of someone without their permission, OK?

Sorry if it evoked some agenda you might have. My whole post seems to have flown over everyone's head, but there is a low ceiling here for a reason I suppose.

You referred to his trespassing as a crime.

How else is someone supposed to interpret that other than criminal trespassing?

 

[PhantomWolf]

Friend, I simply do not understand anything you just wrote. English must not be your first language or you suffer from some cognetic defiency.

False Dichotomy. Since others clearly understood, then the fault appears to be with the reader rather than the writer.

The word trespass means to enter the owners land or property without permission, but you never read my original post, did you?

trespass verb

tres·​pass | \ ˈtre-ˌspas also -spəs \
trespassed; trespassing; trespasses
Definition of trespass (Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb

1: to commit a trespass
especially : to enter unlawfully upon the land of another

trespass noun
tres·​pass | \ ˈtre-spəs , -ˌspas \
Definition of trespass (Entry 2 of 2)
1a: an unlawful act committed on the person, property, or rights of another
especially : a wrongful entry on real property

Highlighting just to help you with reading and understand.

 

[Athyrio]

English must not be your first language or you suffer from some "cognetic defiency."

But since that's not your point, let's wipe the slate clean. First, in the clearest language possible, tell me what your point actually is. After that, we can proceed with your argument.

Simply put, I do not accept the idea that he was there merely to get water. He may have gotten water on one of the occasions but to come back at night in a vehicle - now what?
I was just making light of the idea that he just stopped in for water. Nothing more. I am not saying whatsoever that he should have been shot or even detained.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Simply put, I do not accept the idea that he was there merely to get water. He may have gotten water on one of the occasions but to come back at night in a vehicle - now what?
I was just making light of the idea that he just stopped in for water. Nothing more. I am not saying whatsoever that he should have been shot or even detained.

Let's back up a bit.

You see the thread you're in? It centers around a man's murder that was caught on film. That's a very serious offense and a horrible tragedy.

You're talking about a guy maybe or maybe not getting water.

Can you please explain what a guy maybe or maybe not getting water has to do with the murder?

 

[Meadmaker]

Let's back up a bit.

You see the thread you're in? It centers around a man's murder that was caught on film. That's a very serious offense and a horrible tragedy.

You're talking about a guy maybe or maybe not getting water.

Can you please explain what a guy maybe or maybe not getting water has to do with the murder?

Come on folks.

It has been in the news. It has been linked to the story. People are talking about it.

Surely it's ok to comment on this thing that has been in the news in connection with this story, isn't it?

Arythio doesn't think the water thing is all that likely. That's all. There's a thing in the news that he thinks is unlikely. This seems like the thread where a discussion of that news-related thing should take place.

Is it important whether or not he got water? In the grand scheme of things, no. On the other hand, when threads go on for fifty pages, sometimes some of the things discussed aren't all that important, even though they make headlines. The media, too, tries to dissect every last piece of information they have related to the story, and we sit in our homes and comment on the things we see in the media.


Was Arythio the first person to bring up water and whether or not Arbery was getting a drink? If not, then people shouldn't be jumping on one person for bringing up the water hypothesis.

 

[Athyrio]

More argument from incredulity. I’ve run marathons and have completed many long distance training runs. I avoid carrying water because water is heavy. Instead I ran courses where I knew drinking water was available, including gas stations and parks. I even probably trespassed to get a drink.

So, yes, nothing unusual there.

You highlighted my “nothing unusual there” quote but did not properly reference it. You wanna explain. You missed a sentence or two.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Was Arythio the first person to bring up water and whether or not Arbery was getting a drink? If not, then people shouldn't be jumping on one person for bringing up the water hypothesis.

Not a single person is able to explain why it matters.

Here, let's try this: For the sake of argument, let's suppose that Arbery was not getting water in that house.

Now, finish this sentence: "Given that Arbery was not fetching water, we can then rationally infer __________________"

 

[Athyrio]

Let's back up a bit.

You see the thread you're in? It centers around a man's murder that was caught on film. That's a very serious offense and a horrible tragedy.

You're talking about a guy maybe or maybe not getting water.

Can you please explain what a guy maybe or maybe not getting water has to do with the murder?

Just replying to Smartcooky’s post about it. I didn’t bring it up. Don’t y’all read the thread?

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Now, finish this sentence: "Given that Arbery was not fetching water, we can then rationally infer __________________"

1) If he was fetching something, it certainly wasn't water.
2) If he was doing anything related to water at the construction site, it wasn't fetching.

 

[Athyrio]

Not a single person is able to explain why it matters.

Here, let's try this: For the sake of argument, let's suppose that Arbery was not getting water in that house.

Now, finish this sentence: "Given that Arbery was not fetching water, we can then rationally infer __________________"

Dude - you must be drunker than I am. I ain’t been in no school for over 50 years so I can’t fill in them blanks.

I just don’t believe he was there to get water every time he was caught on video. One either believes it was him on video or they don’t. It’s come down to that.