Jogging in Georgia while black.

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"Does this matter?"
"Of course not!"
"Then why bring it up?"
"Because!"

Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
PhantomWolf said:
I have seen a few, most of them have them strapped to their arm with headphones in. I assume that they are listening to music as they run.
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I don't run, but I work out at the gym, and I always have a cell phone with me, for exactly that reason.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Just going to point this out again because it's only been about 30 pages since it was posted. Criminal Trespass in Georgia requires that damage is done, the person is there with unlawful intent, or that the owner of the property has told the person in question to leave. Since we know that the first and last of these didn't happen, and there is no evidence of the second, then Arbery was committing no crime by being on the property.
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OK , good gotcha there. He was committing no crime because no one pressed charges. Poor thinking on my part. He was, though, trespassing on another's property .

My point was to stress that I do not believe he was there for water on each incident , nothing to do with criminality at all.
 
Athyrio said:
OK , good gotcha there. He was committing no crime because no one pressed charges. Poor thinking on my part. He was, though, trespassing on another's property .

My point was to stress that I do not believe he was there for water on each incident , nothing to do with criminality at all.
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One thing you’ve got right.
 
Athyrio said:
Prediction: The McMichaels will either have all charges beaten down to some manslaughter type charge and will either be tried for that or will plead guilty to it. If a trial goes forth, I have no prediction of the verdict - depends on jury selection.
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This is what I would expect as well, except for the fact that this case has received so much publicity that a plea bargain of that sort would be politically risky.

I suppose it all depends on exactly who makes the decision to offer the plea bargain, and the demographics of the people who elect that person.
 
Athyrio said:
I'm just saying I don't buy the water story. Something wrong with that? Do you have a theory?
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One of the things that happens on this site, and in pretty much every other place, is that people are expected to take all positions based on what "side" they are on.

So, people who are pro-Abery are supposed to accept everything that make Arbery look good, and everything that makes the McMichaels look bad. People on the pro-McMichael side are supposed to accept the opposite. If someone is rejecting any aspect of the pro-Arbery side, he is suspected of not really being pro-Arbery.

This tendency is really very unfortunate.

Was Arbery getting a drink? I don't know. A lawyer for Mr. English thinks it's a possibility, based on the video evidence. I haven't even looked into it deeply enough to say that it's a credible hypothesis. Somebody ought to, but it won't be me. I do know that if I were to look into it, and I were to find that, in my opinion, that explanation doesn't make sense, it would say absolutely nothing about my opinion on the guilt of the McMichaels. It is possible to believe that he was not getting a drink, and simultaneously believe that the McMichaels are guilty.

This is a discussion board. Sometimes one specific and quite minor aspect of the tale of the event under discussion catches someone's eye and they comment about it. This should not be viewed as some sort of suspicious activity. Athyrio's doubt about Arbery's hydration habits is not some sign that we should be suspicious of his motives.
 
Athyrio said:
OK , good gotcha there. He was committing no crime because no one pressed charges. Poor thinking on my part. He was, though, trespassing on another's property .
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Maybe, except that the murderous hicks had no standing whatsoever to determine whether or not he was trespassing. For all they knew. Arbery had an arrangement with the owner to stop by for water whenever he needed it.

Fundamental to determining whether someone is trespassing - in the absence of more suspicious activity than simply being on private property - is knowing the desires of the owner. Absent that, it's none of your ******* business.
 
dejudge said:
There is really no evidence that the McMichaels called the cops. When Greg McMichael called 911 he claimed he didn't know which street he was on and said nothing else for about three minutes then the phone hang up.

Why would they call the cops when Greg himself was once a cop and both were armed?


My prediction. Greg McMichael and his son get life without parole.
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That would be part of the things they should have done, like Travis not exiting the vehicle. Their actions should have been to call the cops and follow their suspected suspect until the proper authorities arrived.

As to why they would not call the cops - why not? It had been done before. The point from their POV was to have him arrested.
 
Athyrio said:
OK , good gotcha there. He was committing no crime because no one pressed charges. Poor thinking on my part. He was, though, trespassing on another's property.
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Yes, very poor thinking because no-one said anything about pressing charges. You still seem to fail to understand, merely being on another person's property in Georgia by itself is not Trespassing under Georgia Law. Thus, no, he was not trespassing in any legal manner.

My point was to stress that I do not believe he was there for water on each incident , nothing to do with criminality at all.
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Whether you believe he was there for water of not doesn't change the fact that there was nothing illegal in his actions in being there and nor was he trespassing under Georgia Law.
 
Athyrio said:
Ah, c'mon man. You'd say that w/o checking.? Nah, not really, right?
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Just because I'm not checking doesn't mean I don't recall him saying it. The reason I said it was close to the line was because I don't recall his exact phrasing. You are free to go back and show I am wrong, after all it was your claim that no one did it.
 
Until we get a halfway attempt at even pretending to explain what any crime Arbery might have once committed has to do with his shooting from anyone who keeps bringing them up, that's what everyone who keeps bringing it up is saying.

This is a 50 page game of "How close can we get to saying 'Well he was nothing but a thug and it's good he's gone' without saying it?"
 
I Am The Scum said:
No, he really wasn't. You need to look up the legal definition of that term before you try to make this argument.
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You know, I will not argue that legal point even though I didn't say he was criminally trespassing which you are speaking of. But that's not even the point here.
 
yeah it's not hard to find things like this...

Skeptic Tank said:
Ultimately, his decision to start throwing punches and grabbing guns is why he was shot. He had easily available means to come out of this alive - he could have stopped, spoken with these guys, and waited for police to arrive to sort the situation out. He instead confirmed his criminality at least in their minds by fleeing and then he got himself shot by attacking.

I believe he did both because he saw himself as a criminal who'd been caught and was in jeopardy of incarceration if he didn't make good his escape before police arrived.
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While he may not use the word "deserves", it's quite clear that ST considers Arbery a violent criminal who got what he deserved for attacking the guys pointing guns at him.
 
JoeMorgue said:
This is a 50 page game of "How close can we get to saying 'Well he was nothing but a thug and it's good he's gone' without saying it?"
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This is the only reason I can come up with to explain the continued reference to the non-trespass and non-theft.
 
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