Passing Peak Trump?

[johnny karate]

I wasn't thinking of Craig4's post at all, only agreeing that we don't need to misrepresent what Trump says or does.

I disagree. If we stick to what is actually said, instead of hyperbole/misrepresentations, there would be no reason to be pedantic. No one would need to point out that that's not what Trump actually said.

Fair enough.

 

[phiwum]

I agree with this in principle. In practice, it doesn't matter, as the opposing force does not adhere to facts or reality what so ever. There's nobody to convince using facts and evidence, because those who are susceptible to it are already against Trump.

There's some point to that, but the problem is that Trump supporters tend to care about truth in some circumstances but not others.

When Trump lies, they shrug it off as something that every politician does.

When someone exaggerates what Trump said, whether media or a forum poster, we hear complaints that this isn't what he said and your bias is showing. Trump didn't say (all) Mexicans are rapists! (Which is true, he didn't. He said that Mexico was "sending" its rapists across the border illegally.) You exaggerated what he said, so I may reject every criticism you offer or conclude that you are fake news.

I don't think that reason will convince a Trump supporter at this late date, but I also don't think that his opponents do themselves any favors by exaggerating what Trump says when what he says is just stupid and offensive enough. Take away the defense that anti-Trumpers are liars by sticking closely to the undeniable facts.

 

[Stacyhs]

I agree with this in principle. In practice, it doesn't matter, as the opposing force does not adhere to facts or reality what so ever. There's nobody to convince using facts and evidence, because those who are susceptible to it are already against Trump.

It does matter.
See phiwum's post below.

There's some point to that, but the problem is that Trump supporters tend to care about truth in some circumstances but not others.

When Trump lies, they shrug it off as something that every politician does.

When someone exaggerates what Trump said, whether media or a forum poster, we hear complaints that this isn't what he said and your bias is showing. Trump didn't say (all) Mexicans are rapists! (Which is true, he didn't. He said that Mexico was "sending" its rapists across the border illegally.) You exaggerated what he said, so I may reject every criticism you offer or conclude that you are fake news.

I don't think that reason will convince a Trump supporter at this late date, but I also don't think that his opponents do themselves any favors by exaggerating what Trump says when what he says is just stupid and offensive enough. Take away the defense that anti-Trumpers are liars by sticking closely to the undeniable facts.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Trump didn't say to inject people with lysol, he just asked if it's possible to inject something like it to.........?

I don't think it's an unreasonable question. I mean, I don't understand why they haven't tried building covid-targeting nanites to cure the disease. Or, why not shrink a person and tiny submarine to inject into people and attack the virus directly?

 

[phiwum]

Trump didn't say to inject people with lysol, he just asked if it's possible to inject something like it to.........?

I don't think it's an unreasonable question. I mean, I don't understand why they haven't tried building covid-targeting nanites to cure the disease. Or, why not shrink a person and tiny submarine to inject into people and attack the virus directly?

It is an unreasonable question and the experts are forced to spend some time explaining why an investigation isn't really necessary without hurting his poor, little feelings. It's ridiculous.

And it's also absolutely true that he asked this ridiculous question. So why not focus on his actual idiocy rather than something that is a slight exaggeration of his idiotic question? Surely, there's enough meat on that bone.

Let his supporters try to defend what Trump actually said rather than give them the easy out of pointing out he didn't tell anyone to guzzle Lysol.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump didn't say to inject people with lysol, he just asked if it's possible to inject something like it to.........?

I don't think it's an unreasonable question. I mean, I don't understand why they haven't tried building covid-targeting nanites to cure the disease. Or, why not shrink a person and tiny submarine to inject into people and attack the virus directly?

I have no idea whey Azar hasn't enlisted the aid of Miss Frizzle.

 

[Stacyhs]

It is an unreasonable question and the experts are forced to spend some time explaining why an investigation isn't really necessary without hurting his poor, little feelings. It's ridiculous.

And it's also absolutely true that he asked this ridiculous question. So why not focus on his actual idiocy rather than something that is a slight exaggeration of his idiotic question? Surely, there's enough meat on that bone.

Let his supporters try to defend what Trump actually said rather than give them the easy out of pointing out he didn't tell anyone to guzzle Lysol.

THAT^

 

[wasapi]

Trump didn't say to inject people with lysol, he just asked if it's possible to inject something like it to.........?

I don't think it's an unreasonable question. I mean, I don't understand why they haven't tried building covid-targeting nanites to cure the disease. Or, why not shrink a person and tiny submarine to inject into people and attack the virus directly?

Seriously? We watched the tape of him talking about it. I assume we saw the same tape. It wasn't just "unreasonable"! It was dangerous! Suggesting something - clearly - terrifying - later blame it on sarcasm? You can't have it both ways? Was it sarcasm, or simply irresponsible and putting many more at risk of death?

Again. Seriously?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Trump didn't say to inject people with lysol, he just asked if it's possible to inject something like it to.........?

I don't think it's an unreasonable question. I mean, I don't understand why they haven't tried building covid-targeting nanites to cure the disease. Or, why not shrink a person and tiny submarine to inject into people and attack the virus directly?

Trump would buy into that as long as there was a Raquel Welch angle.

 

[bonzombiekitty]

We watched the tape of him talking about it. I assume we saw the same tape. It wasn't just "unreasonable"! It was dangerous! Suggesting something - clearly - terrifying - later blame it on sarcasm? You can't have it both ways?

His claim that it was sarcasm just makes it bad either way. He was either foolish enough to use a briefing during a national crisis to try and troll the media, or he said something stupid enough that he thinks he can try to hide its stupidity by claiming sarcasm. Neither case is good.

"It was a silly half thought out question that wasn't appropriate to ask at the time" would have been the appropriate response.

 

[blutoski]

Seriously? We watched the tape of him talking about it. I assume we saw the same tape. It wasn't just "unreasonable"! It was dangerous! Suggesting something - clearly - terrifying - later blame it on sarcasm? You can't have it both ways? Was it sarcasm, or simply irresponsible and putting many more at risk of death?

Again. Seriously?

I hate to say it, but welcome to Skepticism 101.

Today's topic: Selective_perception^WP.

See also: Hostile_media_effect^WP - studied since at least the early 1980s.

 

[theprestige]

nm

 

[theprestige]

THAT^

Don't get excited just yet. We still haven't even gotten as far as even admitting what he actually said. Why don't you start there, and then see if anyone's willing to defend it.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Seriously? We watched the tape of him talking about it. I assume we saw the same tape.

At least make up your mind what you imagine he said. Did he insist people inject Lysol into their eyeballs? Did he force people to snort lye? Did he say he'd put people in jail if they didn't gargle gasoline?

 

[varwoche]

At least make up your mind what you imagine he said. Did he insist people inject Lysol into their eyeballs? Did he force people to snort lye? Did he say he'd put people in jail if they didn't gargle gasoline?

No. He JAQed some of the ignorant blather ever uttered. Something we might expect Eric Cartman to say.

Since Trump, we often hear things like: What a POTUS says doesn't mean anything ... POTUS can have opinions like everyone else...

The fact is, what the POTUS says has impact. People actually ingested dangerous substances in response. Exceedingly busy public health agencies had to field calls about it. Utterly predictable.

Comically, Trump instructed the doctors on stage to look into it. I'm guessing that didn't go anywhere.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

No.

I agree. It's pretty obvious, but many here seem to be having difficulties. It's rather embarrassing for a site claiming to be a skeptics forum.

The fact is, what the POTUS says has impact. People actually ingested dangerous substances in response. Exceedingly busy public health agencies had to field calls about it. Utterly predictable.

I'm ok with people thinking he said to inject lysol into their ears deciding to actually try it.

 

[phiwum]

Don't get excited just yet. We still haven't even gotten as far as even admitting what he actually said. Why don't you start there, and then see if anyone's willing to defend it.

I'll bite.

He said that we should test and see whether injecting or somehow cleaning the lungs would disinfectants would work. In his defense, he said we should get medical doctors involved in such tests.

That and we should test using light internally, either shining it through the body or something.

That sound about right? Seems like addled quarter-thoughts that will distract experts at least long enough to explain to the president why these are not fruitful avenues of research if not longer. It shows a complete boob trying his darnedest to think outside the box and become a hero (or spread a little hope, since he seems to think that even false hope is a boon).

 

[johnny karate]

I agree. It's pretty obvious, but many here seem to be having difficulties. It's rather embarrassing for a site claiming to be a skeptics forum.

How do you imagine that manufacturing a bunch of ridiculous and dangerous things he didn’t say at all mitigates the ridiculous and dangerous thing he did say?

I'm ok with people thinking he said to inject lysol into their ears deciding to actually try it.

I know, right? People are so stupid.

Meanwhile, you voted for a guy who thinks maybe injecting disinfectant is a viable treatment for a virus.

 

[CORed]

I'll bite.

He said that we should test and see whether injecting or somehow cleaning the lungs would disinfectants would work. In his defense, he said we should get medical doctors involved in such tests.

That and we should test using light internally, either shining it through the body or something.

That sound about right? Seems like addled quarter-thoughts that will distract experts at least long enough to explain to the president why these are not fruitful avenues of research if not longer. It shows a complete boob trying his darnedest to think outside the box and become a hero (or spread a little hope, since he seems to think that even false hope is a boon).

Okay, this is a bit of a subjective take on this. Trump, on national TV, asked a question so stupid, that pretty much anybody with more than a 6th grade education would know it's stupid. He didn't (quite) say that people should mainline bleach, or inhale lysol, but it's just a small extrapolation of what he did say.

ETA: Something that has occurred to me lately. Was Trump also being sarcastic when he proclaimed himself to be a "stable genius"?

Maybe, on Jan.21, 2021, Biden can say to him, "Hey, genius! We've got a stable that needs to be cleaned. Get to it.

 

[The Don]

Okay, this is a bit of a subjective take on this. Trump, on national TV, asked a question so stupid, that pretty much anybody with more than a 6th grade education would know it's stupid. He didn't (quite) say that people should mainline bleach, or inhale lysol, but it's just a small extrapolation of what he did say.

ETA: Something that has occurred to me lately. Was Trump also being sarcastic when he proclaimed himself to be a "stable genius"?

Maybe, on Jan.21, 2021, Biden can say to him, "Hey, genius! We've got a stable that needs to be cleaned. Get to it.

Why would Joe Biden say that to man who beat him so handsomely in the election ?

Sure Biden won the popular vote by a country mile, but the electoral college and targeted voter suppression (ironically claiming to protect minorities from Coronavirus by closing polling stations in their neighbourhoods and relying on low levels of postal voting) made sure that President Trump was reelected.