https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-sweden-coronavirus-stoicism-lockdown-europe
Massive testing is likely the most important factor in successful Corona response countries, along with what countries do with that data. It is also likely that countries who are able to do massive testing also have made the health care investments to be most prepared to do something effective with that data.
It seems to give you some degree of comfort that the majority of coronavirus deaths were in nursing homes. You keep mentioning it. And again you return to the idea, which you are also quite fond of, that a lockdown would not have stopped those infections. However, your argument for this is spurious, and at this point it probably doesn't surprise anyone that you come up with a strawman: "strangers ... coughing in their face." But you haven't considered the one thing that should have made you wonder since you mention it yourself: the neighboring countries! I don't know about Norway and Finland, but I guess they have probably been doing better than Denmark in this respect as in most others. I do know, however, that the solution in Denmark wasn't to prevent strangers from entering nursing homes but to prevent relatives from doing so. And it has been tough for the elderly as well as for the relative to comply with this, but it seems to have helped. I don't doubt that some old people may have been infected by the staff working at the homes before tests were made more available, but preventing visits from relatives seems to have limited the spread of the virus. And once again: The lack of preventative measures or training is a very bad excuse for infecting the elderly.
You're probably not even aware that you are adopting another one of Trump's favourite arguments: It wasn't me, I'm not to blame, it wasn't the Federal Government! It was the states/municipalities. They are responsible, they should have taken care of the problem ... "almost exclusively." I have no idea how responsibility is distributed in the Swedish way of doing things, and I have no idea why you side with "the central government" and "the public health agency" on this - I suppose you aren't married to Stefan Löfven or Anders Tegnell. But I also don't really care. It has been obvious that Anders Tegnell was the strategist behind the Swedish way of (not really) tackling the pandemic and that Stefan Löfven, at least until very recently, seemed to follow his advice. If something isn't right about the way that power is distributed between the "central government" and the municipalities, I would criticize the system instead of pushing blame from one to the other.
It's possible that Anders Tegnell is not a complete idiot (nobody's perfect!). Maybe he is just a cynic who doesn't care how many the epidemic in Sweden will kill, but throughout this thread, I've been the one who has presented facts and figures, and you have been the one who has come up with .... nothing whatsoever! Your posts stand out as the most uneducated and uninformed of all, which is probably why you pretend that something was wrong with the facts that I have presented. Even Baylor posted facts that he had come across somewhere. It was obvious that he didn't understand them and it is conspicuous that he hasn't returned, but at least he tried. You, however, have done nothing but appeal to authority, i.e. the central government of Sweden, and use ad hominem.
Yes, I do know! I hope that you appreciate the three articles. I posted them exclusively for your edification, but if anybody else was interested, Google Translate could probably have rendered them readable in English. And if you feel the need to share them with the others reading this thread, you could actually translate them yourself.
