Cont: 2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 3

[ServiceSoon]

Furthermore nearly all flue strains are relatively closely related to existing strains that have circulated before, so a lot of people have at least some resistance which slows the spread of the virus. It’s been hypothesized that the reason why H1N1 was abnormally hard on younger people is that people over 35 had already been exposed to a related strain.

The rapid spread of COVID 19 could indicate that there is no such protection built into the population.

I accept your insinuation for why H1N1 may have been more deadly for the young. It appears the opposite is true for COVID-19; this disease is more deadly for the biologically old. Would you be interested in hazarding a guess on why COVID-19 has this opposite effect?

When considering the worlds extreme measures taken in response for COVID-19 and contrasted with our lack of concern for H1N1, it invokes thoughts for the existence of ageism. I'm very curious what the models predicted when H1N1 was first discovered.

I keep reading claims that immunity to COVID-19 does not exist and use that statement to justify our hysteria. If an estimated 80% of those infected by COVID-19 are asymptomatic, isn't that an indication that they have immunity? In that cohort of 80%, SARS-CoV-2 does not elicit a pathological disease response. That is immunity if I understand the term correctly.

 

[Doghouse Reilly]

Interesting info on why the Italian death rate is so high. They had an exceptionally mild flu season, leaving many who would have normally died of flu alive to die of coronavirus.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...eason-may-solve-mystery-of-coronavirus-deaths

 

[Arcade22]

Interesting info on why the Italian death rate is so high. They had an exceptionally mild flu season, leaving many who would have normally died of flu alive to die of coronavirus.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...eason-may-solve-mystery-of-coronavirus-deaths

From what I've read they only record deaths of people who were confirmed to be, or probably were, infected. This includes individuals who died from unrelated causes, perhaps excluding those who it was clear that the cause of death had nothing to do with corona infection.

 

[Marcus]

I accept your insinuation for why H1N1 may have been more deadly for the young. It appears the opposite is true for COVID-19; this disease is more deadly for the biologically old. Would you be interested in hazarding a guess on why COVID-19 has this opposite effect?

When considering the worlds extreme measures taken in response for COVID-19 and contrasted with our lack of concern for H1N1, it invokes thoughts for the existence of ageism. I'm very curious what the models predicted when H1N1 was first discovered.

I keep reading claims that immunity to COVID-19 does not exist and use that statement to justify our hysteria. If an estimated 80% of those infected by COVID-19 are asymptomatic, isn't that an indication that they have immunity? In that cohort of 80%, SARS-CoV-2 does not elicit a pathological disease response. That is immunity if I understand the term correctly.

Even if you have no immunity, your immune system responds when presented with a threat, it's just not pre-loaded. That's why, when everyone is on an equal footing, young people fare better, in general they have stronger immune systems.

 

[angrysoba]

I'm stealing this.

Why not! I certainly did.

 

[Ulf Nereng]

There's no general public testing of Corona virus infections in Sweden. As of today there are 4 947 official confirmed people who have been infected, of which 239 have died, but basically only people who are in need of emergency care and those in certain professions are being tested as of right now.

Looking at Sweden from over here in Norway I must say that I'm worried. It seems to me that the Swedish government is conducting a dangerous experiment on its' citizens. But perhaps it'll be an important experiment? We have two countries side by side where the populations have very similar life-styles and health services, but the epidemic is handled very differently by the two governments.

 

[Solitaire]

Of all the world's leaders Vlad should be the safest - extremely fit,
non-smoker and good BMI. If Prince Charles got a mild dose, I'd expect
Putin to get no worse.

If Trump meets the virus in a darkened alley, they will out of professional
courtesy exchange plasmids. Trump will become more virulent. And the virus
will become more narcissistic.

Or even worse.

Just like the Soviet Union where they went through a succession of leaders
as each one caught a cold, the leadership of United State will perish in mass
leaving AOC in charge. A brief sneeze as each one falls with a thunk into a coffin.



Anyhow, I've become the poster boy for COVID-19 crazy.

In addition to wearing the gloves I wore last week, I now wear a mask when
shopping, and I'll soon add protective glasses. When I shop in the grocery store,
people assume I have the disease and avoid me.

Oh, and the bag boy said, "You can cure the disease by taking any two old
antibiotics in your medicine cabinet at the same time."

After returning home I washed the groceries and put on top of the fridge,
the quarantine area.



Alas, due the economy, I now have to do some begging.

I'll walk to the end of the highway exit wearing old worn out clothes,
swallow my pride and look desperately into each vehicle exiting the highway,
holding up a cardboard sign that says, "Please Help! I Need Toilet Paper!
God Bless!"

 

[JesseCuster]

From what I've read they only record deaths of people who were confirmed to be, or probably were, infected. This includes individuals who died from unrelated causes, perhaps excluding those who it was clear that the cause of death had nothing to do with corona infection.

Have enough people with COVID-19 died from unrelated causes to make an appreciable difference in those statistics?

Current figures (as of the time of writing this post) have it that 12,000 deaths in Italy have been attributed to COVID-19 out of 100,000 who have tested positive.

I find it hard to believe that an appreciable amount of those 12,000 actually died from something unrelated such that the figures are artificially inflated.

 

[Steve]

Looking at Sweden from over here in Norway I must say that I'm worried. It seems to me that the Swedish government is conducting a dangerous experiment on its' citizens. But perhaps it'll be an important experiment? We have two countries side by side where the populations have very similar life-styles and health services, but the epidemic is handled very differently by the two governments.

We have the same situation here with the USA and Canada. The numbers so far are not in favor of the USA approach.

 

[Steve]

If Trump meets the virus in a darkened alley, they will out of professional
courtesy exchange plasmids. Trump will become more virulent. And the virus
will become more narcissistic.

Or even worse.

Just like the Soviet Union where they went through a succession of leaders
as each one caught a cold, the leadership of United State will perish in mass
leaving AOC in charge. A brief sneeze as each one falls with a thunk into a coffin.



Anyhow, I've become the poster boy for COVID-19 crazy.

In addition to wearing the gloves I wore last week, I now wear a mask when
shopping, and I'll soon add proactive glasses. When I shop in the grocery store,
people assume I have the disease and avoid me.

Oh, and the bag boy said, "You can cure the disease by taking any two old
antibiotics in your medicine cabinet at the same time."

After returning home I washed the groceries and put on top of the fridge,
the quarantine area.



Alas, due the economy, I now have to do some begging.

I'll walk to the end of the highway exit wearing old worn out clothes,
swallow my pride and look desperately into each vehicle exiting the highway,
holding up a cardboard sign that says, "Please Help! I Need Toilet Paper!
God Bless!"

Proactive glasses sound interesting. Would they detect the virus in the air and act to provide additional protection for you?

 

[crescent]

Even if you have no immunity, your immune system responds when presented with a threat, it's just not pre-loaded. That's why, when everyone is on an equal footing, young people fare better, in general they have stronger immune systems.

This. Previously in one of these threads there was the suggestion that the nasal swab tests would only show who had been exposed to the virus, but not who "had" the virus. The suggestion was that the antibody tests would show that many people were not actually "getting" the virus.

It does not work that way.

The people who show no symptoms still had some level of infection and would still show up on an antibody test. It is just that their immune system was able to defeat the virus quickly before the virus had replicated as widely as it did in people whose immune systems were less effective.

"Immune" does not mean that one does not get infected. It means that one's immune system beats the infection before any symptoms are apparent.

 

[Planigale]

Anecdotal, but I've heard a Toronto are ICU physician say that 2/3 of the people who end up in their ICU from COVID die from it.

I have heard figures from 50- 90% but if you have pneumonia bad enough to need ITU your survival is poor. the other anecdotal issue is people coming in with rapid onset rapidly progressive respiratory failure and dying very shortly after admission despite ITU.

 

[Planigale]

I accept your insinuation for why H1N1 may have been more deadly for the young. It appears the opposite is true for COVID-19; this disease is more deadly for the biologically old. Would you be interested in hazarding a guess on why COVID-19 has this opposite effect?

When considering the worlds extreme measures taken in response for COVID-19 and contrasted with our lack of concern for H1N1, it invokes thoughts for the existence of ageism. I'm very curious what the models predicted when H1N1 was first discovered.

I keep reading claims that immunity to COVID-19 does not exist and use that statement to justify our hysteria. If an estimated 80% of those infected by COVID-19 are asymptomatic, isn't that an indication that they have immunity? In that cohort of 80%, SARS-CoV-2 does not elicit a pathological disease response. That is immunity if I understand the term correctly.

No you do not understand the term immunity correctly.

 

[JesseCuster]

Is it really as high as 80% of people infected are "asymptomatic". I thought it was that 80% had a "mild" infection, meaning that it will be self-limiting and won't require medical treatment.

Some have asymptomatic infections apparently, but is it really that high?

 

[a_unique_person]

Sweden pop ~ 10mil. Deaths - 146
Australia pop~ 25mil Deaths - 19

Sweden - 180 deaths
Australia - 20 deaths.


Springbreakers have massive infection event at holiday in Mexico.


https://www.foxnews.com/health/coro...s-spring-breakers-who-charted-plane-to-mexico

 

[Arcade22]

Looking at Sweden from over here in Norway I must say that I'm worried. It seems to me that the Swedish government is conducting a dangerous experiment on its' citizens. But perhaps it'll be an important experiment? We have two countries side by side where the populations have very similar life-styles and health services, but the epidemic is handled very differently by the two governments.

The government is for the most part just following the advice and recommendations of the relevant public authorities, who are largely autonomous.

Because the consensus among the experts in said public authority develops slowly there is no need for panic induced "close down the borders!!!!" decisions that are done more for political effect than actual effectiveness. People expect something to be done, but sometimes doing "something" won't change anything.

To a large degree people are heeding the governments and the authorities recommendations voluntarily. Far fewer people are out and about in town shopping or eating out, instead staying at home.

 

[Planigale]

The government is for the most part just following the advice and recommendations of the relevant public authorities, who are largely autonomous.

Because the consensus among the experts in said public authority develops slowly there is no need for panic induced "close down the borders!!!!" decisions that are done more for political effect than actual effectiveness. People expect something to be done, but sometimes doing "something" won't change anything.

To a large degree people are heeding the governments and the authorities recommendations voluntarily. Far fewer people are out and about in town shopping or eating out, instead staying at home.

This is a good observation. Modelling suggests closing borders, or air flight checks have little effect, but closing borders is definitely seen as doing something. South Korea has not closed its borders and is generally held up as having achieved good control.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Not sure if this video has been posted for, but this guy makes a lot lot lot of claims that seem counter to a lot of what has been the established wisdom

https://vimeo.com/399733860

Really seems to be making a lot of claims about spread and how easily you can be safe by keeping your hands off of your face that he really can't know. Actually seems like very dangerous advice

This guy is really claiming that the vast vast majority of infection is coming from touching your face, and that you should be very safe out buying your food or going about your business if you don't touch your face.

But then talks about keeping social distancing. It seems like social distancing is to keep peoples' lungs from giving this to you

Seems mutually contradictory

 

[Andy_Ross]

And the UK is in police-enforced lockdown anyway.
They are confined to their houses whether someone tested positive or not.

No, this is wrong.
People are going shopping and out for exercise. People are still going to work.
Police have no powers to confine people to their houses.

 

[Andy_Ross]

A further 563 patients with coronavirus have died in the UK yesterday, taking the total number of deaths in hospitals to 2,352.

Monday it was 380 people died. It's speeding up.