The Trump Presidency: Part 20

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johnny karate said:
I apologize if I mistook sincerity for sarcasm.

What specifically do think the Trump administration is doing wrong that the Hillary Clinton administration would have done correctly?
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Perhaps the fact that she would have had a team of real experts and advisers, an would have LISTENED to them rather than think that she knew everything. That itself might have been enough.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I feel like you're contributing to the insanity.
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Damn right. Anybody that starts talking about politics is nuts. Some are temporarily insane and some are permanently. I don't really like religion or politics or sports. But the world is densely populated by people who are fanatical about any or all of those. I don't fit in.

I liked that we had a black President and I wanted that to be followed by a female President. Oh well.

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johnny karate said:
I apologize if I mistook sincerity for sarcasm.

What specifically do think the Trump administration is doing wrong that the Hillary Clinton administration would have done correctly?
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Ramped up test and PPE production no later than February 1.

Yes, I believe almost anyone except Trump would have done that.
 
dudalb said:
We don't need no stinking ventilators...



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/26/trump-ventilators-coronavirus-151311
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Speaking with Sean Hannity on Fox News on Thursday night, Trump again minimized the impact of the global coronavirus pandemic, casting doubt on the need for tens of thousands of ventilators for hospitals responding to the crisis.

“I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be,” he said. “I don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”
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Trump can spot a scam a mile away.
 
dudalb said:
We don't need no stinking ventilators...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/26/trump-ventilators-coronavirus-151311
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I read this, and it induces a genuine sort of despair.

ETA: And I think, "That's going to be another campaign commercial." but the theme of that campaign commercial is that he undersupplied ventilators, and people died, and people will be outraged and they will collectively say, "Take that, Donald! Now you have to move back to the top of your skyscraper!"
 
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thaiboxerken said:
And most would listen to intelligence briefings that warned of the coming pandemic.
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Give him a break: even if Trump had listened to briefings, they'd only have inspired him to sell off some stocks. It's not like he'd have done anything to benefit the nation, so it's the same difference.
 
It's going to be like the Californian wildfires as long as urban/blue areas are most affected. He's just a transparently vile human being.
 
Meadmaker said:
I read this, and it induces a genuine sort of despair.

ETA: And I think, "That's going to be another campaign commercial." but the theme of that campaign commercial is that he undersupplied ventilators, and people died, and people will be outraged and they will collectively say, "Take that, Donald! Now you have to move back to the top of your skyscraper!"
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He is pathetic. Out of one side of his putrid piehole he bitches about Obama leaving them unsupplied and unprepared for something like this, yet he imagines that 400 or even 4000 ventilators are going to be enough. All he need do is look to Spain and Italy to realize he's wrong, but he's far too bullheaded. Pig ignorant in fact.

ETA: Here's what a real leader says. "I trust the experts; if they say they need more ventilators, I say 'How many?' We'll do whatever is necessary to save lives. This is our duty."

Instead we have a whiny bitch.
 
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JPK said:
Trying to use President Trumps words against him is a silly distraction.
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I disagree. Using someone else's words is dismissed as TDS or fake news. Using his own words in an ad that nicely combines his words and easily understood graphics has some persuasive potential. It's worth the effort.
 
johnny karate said:
You know what, my bad. I forgot that there was a third option.

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I wonder what trolling you were seeing here?

As he said, Hillary fairly certainly would have done a good job - for all her flaws, she is a very competent woman who actually pays attention to the expert scientists and it's exceedingly unlikely that she would have sabotaged the US' ability to respond. In recognition of this, the death count and damage done would fairly certainly be much lower.

johnny karate said:
I apologize if I mistook sincerity for sarcasm.

What specifically do think the Trump administration is doing wrong that the Hillary Clinton administration would have done correctly?
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Meadmaker said:
Ramped up test and PPE production no later than February 1.

Yes, I believe almost anyone except Trump would have done that.
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Given Hillary, probably notably sooner, especially given that the first confirmed case in the US was January 20, the lessons learned and recency of H1N1, and that there would have actually been time to prepare in advance. As in... early January or sooner would be a fairly likely time for preparations to begin in earnest, albeit not necessarily the ramping up itself so much as making sure that everything was ready to be ramped up, preparing and sending out guidance, be working to make sure that the testing was working and that we had a decent initial amount, etc. Containment (aka severely slowing the spread from the start and keeping it to easily manageable levels with some localized lockdowns as needed) would be... rather likely, honestly.



To poke elsewhere, Kentucky Republicans haven't stopped with their DDS reaction to having a Democratic Governor.

In fact, the Republican legislature gave serious consideration to simply overturning the election, and in the last two weeks have gone after him with no less than four bills that would remove Beshear’s ability to issue executive orders, take away the salaries of executive branch workers, give the Senate veto power over Beshear’s most trivial appointments, and making it easier to sue the governor for his actions. And the reason they’re doing this is clear enough. It's because Beshear isn’t doing a good job handling the COVID-19 crisis … he’s doing a great job.

At the start of the month, the Lexington Herald Leader covered how Senate Republicans were piling on Beshear in an attempt to undermine his authority at every turn. That may have come at a point where the threat posed by the coronavirus was still just becoming apparent for many state legislators, but Republicans have continued to push through three bills as the crisis continues, and they’ve introduced more. That includes a bill expressly allowing Beshear to be sued by any business or individual who thinks his executive orders in dealing with the coronavirus “infringe on liberty or interfere with commerce.”
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Oh, holy ****. WTF? I really, really hope the people of Kentucky and the courts deliver a very firm rebuke to that BS.
 
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Resume said:

Reporter calls Trump out TO HIS FACE for re-opening country to help in election


At about :55 he starts bashing Paula Reed and other fake news reporters, then brags that no other administration has done the job they've done (I agree!) and then says it's lucky that we have them for this problem OR WE WOULDN'T HAVE A COUNTRY LEFT.

Nah, he's not nuts.
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Several people in that video also talk about losing the country or that it will not be recognizable if we don't open it up.

What the hell does that even mean? Will the Constitution get the virus and keel over? If the market tanks will Wall Street turn into a dirt road? It's just mindless drivel with zero content.
 
William Parcher said:
I don't like politics at all and I don't like to discuss them. I don't like any of the political parties. I avoid reading about politics and don't watch hardly any of it on television.<snip>
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IOW, you don't give a **** about the direction your country takes. Got it ... but I have to wonder why you're posting fantasy speculation in a politics thread then.

William Parcher said:
I get trolled whenever I talk politics here.
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More meaningless posting. What does it mean to be "trolled"? How do you distinguish "trolling" from criticism? Or fact checking? Or just disagreeing? Or even compliments?
 
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