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O'Reilly authors new Protocols...

Fair enough. Any word on Peter Lewis' religion?

For the record, I agree that this is dumbassery in the first degree. I just think comparing it to the Protocols is a over the top and serves to diminsh the evil of that work.
 
a_unique_person said:
Just think, there are troops in Iraq reading that story right now, thanks to their supporters back home like Bill.
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Interesting point, however Israel, Palestine, Gun Control? I don't know, but Abortion, Global Warming for sure.

PS: Torture?
 
manny said:
Fair enough. Any word on Peter Lewis' religion?

For the record, I agree that this is dumbassery in the first degree. I just think comparing it to the Protocols is a over the top and serves to diminsh the evil of that work.
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Peter Lewis is jewish.

I don't make such comparisons lightly, as I don't want either to diminish the vileness of the Protocols or to be a hysteric on general principle. But the parallels are pretty irksome to me.

First, as I said, the secret plan. Whereas the Russian secret police who created the Protocols were merely cynical and O'Reilly is apparently paranoid to the point of being unhinged, the insistence of a grand conspiracy is particularly corosive. Question 1: got evidence of a secret plan, let's hear it.

Next, the specific identification of 2 jews and an organization usually thought of as dominated by jewish lawyers (ACLU).

Then draw the direct equivalence to mass murderers of yore.

Is it on the order of villainy of the Protocols? That's for you to judge. But the similarities are pretty stark.
 
I want to add that I am becoming increasingly alarmed at how mainstream politico-media figures can get away with a lot more fascist sounding stuff than I would have thought possible before.

The utterances of Ann Coulter make me more afraid than ever that it is possible that political opposition to those in power will be persecuted under force of law in our lifetimes. It's not that someone like her says these things, but that such a person graces the cover of Time Magazine as a popular voice of the political movement that currently holds all the power in the federal government.

Now you can add to that the #1 personality on the #1 news network is ranting about the jews ("Soros, Lewis and the ACLU") who have a secret, multi-pronged plan to undermine our moral fiber.

Oh, and the erstwhile Majority Leader of the House of Representatives says that wrong-ruling judges will get their retribution.

Can you see a pattern here?
 
Oh, and did I mention that from the President and the Vice President, on down, political critics are routinely branded as traitors?
 
hgc said:
Oh, and did I mention that from the President and the Vice President, on down, political critics are routinely branded as traitors?
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Lots of people mention that. But I never actually see it from the President or the Vice President or anybody like that. It usually turns out to be an idiot like O'Reilly or some freshman Congresscritter. On the other hand, I do see senior Democrats, people with years of tenure, comparing the administration and/or the military to Hitler's Germany and similar.
 
hgc said:
I knew at the time it was a mistake to throw down that particular gauntlet. If anyone wanted to defend him for this particular thing, they could certainly do it without my particular prompting. I didn't name them for 2 reasons -- I couldn't call to mind who they were and it isn't nice to go around calling people out by name, unprovoked.

Since Ed self-identifies as an occassional defender, he's a good example of whom I was interested in hearing from. For obvious reasons, he doesn't defend this.
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I defend against mindless generalities for the most part. I think that Bill does good things vis a vis the border, child abuse and the like, far more so and consistantly than anyone I am aware of in the mainstream media. His knowledge of his own faith is embaressing as is his grasp of american history. On this christmas thing, frankly it is a bore. On principle, this evening when we went to a party that our real estate guy throws, I have everybody a great big merry christmas. WTF cares. I evidentially merryed a jewish guy who was our architect. My wife said "Ed, he's Jewish" I said F him, damn Christ Killer(tm).

If saying Merry Christmas is out among the intellegensia then I am a merryer, contrarian SOB that I am.

The Christmas Spirit is growing in my breast.
 
hgc said:
I want to add that I am becoming increasingly alarmed at how mainstream politico-media figures can get away with a lot more fascist sounding stuff than I would have thought possible before.

The utterances of Ann Coulter make me more afraid than ever that it is possible that political opposition to those in power will be persecuted under force of law in our lifetimes. It's not that someone like her says these things, but that such a person graces the cover of Time Magazine as a popular voice of the political movement that currently holds all the power in the federal government.

Now you can add to that the #1 personality on the #1 news network is ranting about the jews ("Soros, Lewis and the ACLU") who have a secret, multi-pronged plan to undermine our moral fiber.

Oh, and the erstwhile Majority Leader of the House of Representatives says that wrong-ruling judges will get their retribution.

Can you see a pattern here?
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Absolutely nothing new. Father Coughlin would have whupped your ass.
 
Ed said:
I1 I evidentially merryed a jewish guy who was our architect. My wife said "Ed, he's Jewish" I said F him, damn Christ Killer(tm).

If saying Merry Christmas is out among the intellegensia then I am a merryer, contrarian SOB that I am.

The Christmas Spirit is growing in my breast.
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I never mind being wished a Merry Christmas. I usually have a great time on December 25. My work is closed, most stores are closed so I can't run errands, my family doesn't celebrate this holiday, so no obligations there, it's great! I can just kick back.
 
LibraryLady said:
I never mind being wished a Merry Christmas. I usually have a great time on December 25. My work is closed, most stores are closed so I can't run errands, my family doesn't celebrate this holiday, so no obligations there, it's great! I can just kick back.
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Do you go out for Chinese food?
 
Ed said:
Absolutely nothing new. Father Coughlin would have whupped your ass.
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That's long before my time, but his stench is rising from the grave.

Here's what I mean-- Another Fox News luminary, John Gibson, says...
No, no, no. If you figure that -- listen, we get a little theological here, and it's probably a bit over my head, but I would think if somebody is going to be -- have to answer for following the wrong religion, they're not going to have to answer to me. We know who they're going to have to answer to.
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And that's fine. Let 'em. But in the meantime, as long as they're civil and behave, we tolerate the presence of other religions around us without causing trouble, and I think most Americans are fine with that tradition.
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I was passing by a TV tonight, where what to my wandering eyes did appear but, in split-screen glory, Mr. O'Reilly and his guest, Ms. Coulter. Somehow I was able to resist the gravitational pull of their two planets in alignment and reached escape velocity before spending so much as ten seconds listening to their "views."
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I was passing by a TV tonight, where what to my wandering eyes did appear but, in split-screen glory, Mr. O'Reilly and his guest, Ms. Coulter. Somehow I was able to resist the gravitational pull of their two planets in alignment and reached escape velocity before spending so much as ten seconds listening to their "views."
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What? Didn't you know? Anything they say which is so onerous that the flames of backlash start to lick their asses instantly is restyled as comic bon mots. You are perfectly safe.
 
Ed said:
My point is that this is nothing new. Somehow we survived.
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That's history. Doesn't always repeat itself exactly. Im worried about the future.
 
The funny thing is that O'Reilly et al are Roman Catholics. To some on the fringe of fundimentalist christianity, they are not even christian. I defer to my good friend, Jack Chick..

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

I wonder how thrilled Bill (and Sean and Coulter and the other loons) would be if the government decides that maybe the King James version of the 10 Commandments is the one that should be displayed.

King James Version: 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Catholic Version: 2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
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Wars have been fought over distinctions like this. There is a very good reason why the founders wanted to keep govertnment away from religion. If a catholic group sued that state with the stupid granite monument because it has the wrong version, on what basis would a court rule? Would Bill have no opinion?
 
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