The Trump Presidency: Part 20

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Nope, confirmed. I heard right.

The reporter said: "Was that sarcasm, sir?"

What a ******' scumbag.

Karen and I both heard that live in the car. We were both surprised he didn’t seem to know that Romney was self-quarantined, but neither one of us took his comment as sarcastic or a dig at Romney, Not to say that might not have been his intent.

Edited to add: Just saw the video on Twitter. His tone, combined with his facial expression makes the sarcasm pretty obvious.
 
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Karen and I both heard that live in the car. We were both surprised he didn’t seem to know that Romney was self-quarantined, but neither one of us took his comment as sarcastic or a dig at Romney, Not to say that might not have been his intent.

Watch his face when he says it.
 
Saw a clip of Trump from 20 years ago and I couldn't help but be struck by the contrast between that squirrely bright-eyed guy and the bloated, waddling, disgusting racoon we see now. Also, he doesn't look well. Very heavy on his feet. Could be some of that irritability, that querilousness, is because he just doesn't have the energy, mental or physical, that he needs.


According to Trump himself, people have a finite amount of energy in their bodies, which gets used up by physical activity, and they die when it runs out. Even with his general slothfulness, he has 20 years less energy than he did in the older clip. :D
 
Trump is always saying he had no idea. That's a crock.

He didn't know Mar-a-lago shut down. :rolleyes:

He claims not to know that a bunch of people in the Congress and their staff are either infected on in quarantine. He's supposed to be managing this crisis and he doesn't know a fair number of people on the Hill have been exposed? :rolleyes:

Maybe he didn't know Romney was in self-quarantine or that Rand Paul had the infection. But the way he makes it sound like everything is news to him, it's a ruse like everything else he does.
 
What you're describing is a police state, where unelected government officials (and how would they get THEIR jobs?) would decide who could run for office and what anybody could say. It's troubling that you don't recognize it.
Off topic, I know. What he is describing is basically what happens in Australia already. And as far as I am aware, we aren't a "police state".

Btw, unelected government officials already decide who gets to run for office in the USA. That's precisely what the GOP gerrymander actually is.

A lot of our current problems could be reduced by eliminating gerrymandering, registering eligible voters automatically, and conducting elections entirely by mail, as four states do now. And nothing in the Constitution requires the states to allocate electoral votes on a "winner-take-all" basis. They could award them proportionally, as two states do now. For most of our history, politicians and parties have competed by offering policies and programs that they hope will appeal to the majority of voters. There were conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans. The GOP has become a cult that expects to win not by appealing to the most voters, but by disqualifying voters who would vote against them.
How about a consistent federal election methodology and vote-counting methodology that applies exactly the same across all states, no exceptions. Overseen by a federal body whose job it is to enforce absolute electoral fairness and adherence to those rules by candidates AND voters AND tallying staff, i.e. completely non-partisan. Everyone gets a fair go. Sound too "socialist"?
 
I want to know criteria for assessment how well Trump did with COVID-19. I mean real criteria, of course, not "he will fail because he is republican" or "he will do good because he is republican". Some people already know everything (though I agree one can predict future performance based on past performance).

Honestly, the generalized shutdowns all over at this point in the US, rather than more localized ones, are more a consequence of a poor initial response and a general lack of testing. The free falling stock market is a pretty good sign of the same. It would have got here, regardless, yes and the stock market would have dropped somewhat, but with aggressive testing from the start, the damage to both would have been greatly minimized, in fair part because a largely unknown threat is much scarier than a decently well known one that's pretty clearly being handled competently. You can easily look back to, say, Obama's (and likely even Bush's) Presidency to see a very significant contrast in how such things were handled and the damage done. It's not a perfect mirror, of course, but when the Obama Administration had, say, a million tests in less than a month versus the Trump Administration having closer to 30K in two months, that's an absurdly overwhelming difference in the foundational necessity of information that can be used to appropriately address the situation. I apologize for not having specific numbers to offer, though, between what's good and bad.

For me, pretty good objective critera would be amount of deaths. Certain minimal number is inevitable even with best response, of course. But how much is too much?

Number of deaths is one important measure, but hardly the only one that I'd point towards. Still, it's worth taking a moment to acknowledge that, without tests even being available in sufficient numbers, death numbers will not be accurate and thus it's not a good measure - and that that's exactly the situation that we're in. When people test positive for the flu and therefore don't qualify for a COVID-19 test, despite having both at once, that will skew the numbers. When, like the Russians apparently are, the cause of death is mostly just being registered as pneumonia, that'll skew the numbers. The Chinese numbers were very likely being suppressed quite a bit for a while, too, as they did a lot of saving face downplaying of the danger and damage (just like Trump and Putin), though the current numbers are... plausible. More could be said, but... ugh.

In the first part, I poked at a couple things that also can be used as something of a measure. The generalized shutdowns and stock market drops, for example, are parts of the larger economic damage done measure, and they're directly related to the spread and lack of aggressive testing from the start. To poke at that last thing, yet again, testing is the foundation of all good response plans. That Trump made it perfectly clear that he didn't want the numbers to go up (with the totally obvious note that all he cared about was the appearance and the perceived effect on his image and re-election chances, rather than actually addressing the pandemic itself, hence the Administration having dragged their feet on everything), that he pointedly refused to accept offered test kits even after it was perfectly clear that our available testing production ability was FUBAR, and so on are all clear signs of a poor response. Plenty more could be said, but, moving on.

Next, preparedness. We are facing a crisis in the form of shortages of PPE, certain chemicals for testing kits, and medical equipment for medical personnel across the country. This was... entirely foreseeable and seen the moment numbers were actually run. The response? Pretty much nothing at all outside of what seems to be a blind reliance on the free market to be prepared for a very large load of the kind that pretty much always leads to massive shortages, and using the federal government to compete with the states for the same PPE orders, repeatedly outbidding the states who Trump was intent on pushing all the actual leadership onto. At least until very recently when Trump invoked the threat of legally commandeering businesses to make more PPE - something that has apparently only remained a threat so far, despite all the posturing.

That last bit touched on leadership - Trump's been regularly and brazenly lying to the public for his whole Presidency. That's a terrible base to work from in a time when trusting the government is essential to limit the damage. He's continued to lie like crazy all through this, even after finally acknowledging that things really are bad - though that was only after the stock market plummeted, causing notable damage there. Causing confusion, uncertainty, and a fundamental inability to trust the leadership is a clear sign of terrible leadership. ETA: To add a slight bit here, good leadership is exemplified by a trusted leader giving good directions and information. It's true that it doesn't technically need to be perfectly true, but brazen lies erode at the trusted part quickly.

On the positive side of things, now that the problem is long past the point of uncontainable and they've been forced to acknowledge some uncomfortable truths, Trump and the Republicans have been making better decisions and are more at the point of a low competence response rather than actively hindering the response so much. Admittedly, part of the reason why I call it low is because they screwed up the initial, most important parts so badly that there's likely not really any actually good options left on the table to try to salvage the situation after their long-term sabotage and misuse of the tools that were available, even when they can bear to use them.

I could probably go on, but... Meh. We'll get through this, but it's guaranteed to be a lot less pretty than it could be.

Obviously, this kind of assessment would be possible only in aftermath, or at least when majority of crisis is over. I think November is sufficiently far away in future. In fact, it is sufficiently far in future to catch screwups like allowing for second wave of infections and things like that.

Mmm. Some things can be easily determined on an ongoing basis, though, as well as credit can be pointed correctly where it's due. It wasn't Trump who ordered shutdowns in Ohio when the data showed that there were probably over 100K unconfirmed infections of COVID-19 in Ohio, for example. That was the Republican governor - a governor that gets attention primarily because he was a Republican who actually acknowledged reality in much the same way that Democratic governors had been and took some recommended action to try to limit the damage. I'm entirely fine with giving that positive credit to him, rather than Trump, because no positive credit is deserved by Trump for that.
 
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McConnell would love the Democrats to roll over.

And, apparently, give the Republicans the ability to engaging in indirect bribery solicitation. What was it, something like $400 billion that they want distributed to companies at Mnuchin's discretion? Donate a few millions to the RNC/Republican SuperPACs and get a couple billion in return! And yeah, given the rampant corruption in this Administration, that's pretty well guaranteed to happen.

Oh, and... this.

From the GOP bill page 391… per a dem source: “appears to be a Secret Bailout Authority. Trump/Mnuchin can make a loan, guarantee, or other investment in Goldman Sachs or even the Trump Org and keep it secret for 6 months.."

:eye-poppi
 
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And, apparently, give the Republicans the ability to engaging in indirect bribery solicitation. What was it, something like $400 billion that they want distributed to companies at Mnuchin's discretion? Donate a few millions to the RNC/Republican SuperPACs and get a couple billion in return! And yeah, given the rampant corruption in this Administration, that's pretty well guaranteed to happen.

Oh, and... this.

From the GOP bill page 391… per a dem source: “appears to be a Secret Bailout Authority. Trump/Mnuchin can make a loan, guarantee, or other investment in Goldman Sachs or even the Trump Org and keep it secret for 6 months.."

:eye-poppi
The GOP is trying hard to demonize the Democrats but I say, thank heavens they are there reading the bill.
 
Mmm. Some things can be easily determined on an ongoing basis, though, as well as credit can be pointed correctly where it's due. It wasn't Trump who ordered shutdowns in Ohio when the data showed that there were probably over 100K unconfirmed infections of COVID-19 in Ohio, for example. That was the Republican governor - a governor that gets attention primarily because he was a Republican who actually acknowledged reality in much the same way that Democratic governors had been and took some recommended action to try to limit the damage. I'm entirely fine with giving that positive credit to him, rather than Trump, because no positive credit is deserved by Trump for that.
The difference between Trump and the Republican Ohio governor is that the guv understands that the political divide is now largely irrelevant. We are all in this together.

However for Trump, he is in this all for himself. Any decisions and comments he makes are always (what he considers) best for him alone. The "bad reporter, nasty questions" barbs are simply so he can avoid answering them at all and thus look bad publicly. We can see it for what it is, but his base think he's an intellectual giant. Says far more about them, actually.
 
The difference between Trump and the Republican Ohio governor is that the guv understands that the political divide is now largely irrelevant. We are all in this together.

Mmm. I wouldn't go that far. The Ohio GOP is still playing evil politics as they're trying to use COVID-19 as an excuse to, for example, ban abortion care.

To poke elsewhere, though...

White supremacists encouraging their members to spread coronavirus to cops, Jews, FBI says
The alert was sent to local police agencies by federal officials.


You can probably add black people to that list safely, given that there was apparently urging to do that, too, recently. I have two words for that. Murderous scum. It also rather blows up any claim that they have to the Blue Lives Matter stuff.
 
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Someone should ask him if he is ready to allow the quick testing and release of the anti-malarials methaqualone and hydrocortisol he has personally promoted as attack drugs for COVID-19 should be accelerated. Lots of people are coming up to him and saying he should. He has a good feeling about them, I'm sure.
 
Trump Tweets

I watch and listen to the Fake News, CNN, MSDNC, ABC, NBC, CBS, some of FOX (desperately & foolishly pleading to be politically correct), the @nytimes, & the @washingtonpost, and all I see is hatred of me at any cost. Don’t they understand that they are destroying themselves?

My friend (always there when I’ve needed him!), Senator @RandPaul, was just tested “positive” from the Chinese Virus. That is not good! He is strong and will get better. Just spoke to him and he was in good spirits.

WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!
 
Someone should ask him if he is ready to allow the quick testing and release of the anti-malarials methaqualone and hydrocortisol he has personally promoted as attack drugs for COVID-19 should be accelerated. Lots of people are coming up to him and saying he should. He has a good feeling about them, I'm sure.

Nigeria has now recorded cases of chloroquine poisoning as people use it to treat the disease.
 
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