2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 2

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Regarding the lightning spread in Italy, I'm guessing a lot of old Italians are Catholics and attend Mass every Sunday?

Sharing a cup with other people looks like an excellent way to share a virus.
 
Chicago has now "Postponed" it's St Patrick's Day Parade.
March Madness might be impacted;they are talking about playing with no audience.
 
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IMO the variation in fatality rates is almost entirely a function of how many people have been tested. Even S. Korea probably hasn’t found all the active cases so the rate they are reporting is still higher than the “real” rate. Insufficient facilities for people having serious breathing problems could result in some additional deaths though.

Given 11 people died in the 3 weeks before anyone noticed the outbreak at Life Care, it's pretty safe to say all the deaths are not being counted in the US.
 
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There were large isopropyl wipes available so I bought a canister. Also some foiled-wrapped ones but they're tiny, like you would use to prep skin for an injection of blood draw. You'd need several to clean your hands.....
Great for taking ink stains off of countertops.

Warning, don't use on anything with a lacquer finish, the alcohol dissolves the finish.
 
They're just trying to make Trump look bad. Oh, and the proper name is "Wuhan Virus", according to conservative media and politicians.

The whole China Flu smear is really falling flat because China is doing an amazing job responding to the outbreak while other Western countries are falling flat on their face.

American rugged individualism is about to run head first into a collective action problem and fail miserably.

Very much worried about my wife's grandmother. She's in her 80's and has COPD. If an Italian style outbreak is what the US is looking at, we're in for a very rough ride.
 
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Just think - where we're at now, with 300 deaths a day across the world, is just a tiny entree as to what's about to happen.

Even if 90% of cases aren't being tested and the mortality rate ends up at 0.3%, the death total per day will be up to 30,000 or more.

Yes, I did mean thirty thousand. Per day.

And it could be worse than that, because nobody's health systems are capable of coping with a full-throttle epidemic.

Why the hell are we not following SK & China?

I tell ya, the orientals look like having the last laugh here - whitey's getting in the racism while we can, because if we all follow Italy it's going to be very, very nasty.

Just hope Remdesivir works and that you can get some if you need it.
 
Every trained nurse and doctor that's not sick will be in deck at actual hospitals, and when it comes to things like intubation - which is going to be required in large numbers, I doubt you could teach people in the time available.

The other problem for you is lack of materials - hospitals don't have oodles of ICU equipment lying around, making the rooms sterile and air-tight would be a touch difficult.

Nice thought, but not at all practical.

The practical measure would be to get armed forces to set up MASH-style hospitals and get ready to lend a hand.


If you are talking about the U.S., we actually do have supplies laying in wait. At least it is in the law and in the budget that they are there.
It is called the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act (PAHPAI). I'll just call it Preparedness Act. It is designed
"in order to make the federal government more effective at preventing and responding to public health security threats such as bioterrorism attacks or disease outbreaks."

Already the Dept of Health and Human Services (which oversees the CDC) has switched leadership specific to coronavirus to the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response which has full authority (in their Office of Emergency Management) over the National Disaster Medical System which can mobilize thousands of medical personnel, tap into 1,800 member hospitals, enable doctors to cross state lines, and coordinate partnering with military staff.

Supplies are stockpiled in the Strategic National Stockpile which can be released by HHS (or Homeland Security if it was bioterrorism, FEMA in disaster, etc..) when local systems are overloaded in an emergency.

None of this, to my knowledge, has been activated as yet. But thousands of additional breathing tubes and ventilators should be there in dozens of warehouses across the country.

The N95 mask supply does seems to be low as they have already said they could need billions of them and only have 10's of millions on hand. I know California has their own stockpile of 21 million, with some expired, and it isn't enough.
 
I have plenty of isopropyl. I buy it by the gallon to clean up any liquid resin remaining on models from my 3d printers.
I use it in an ultrasonic cleaner and in a spray bottle. I make my own wipes.
 
The whole China Flu things is really falling flat because China is doing an amazing job responding to the outbreak while other Western countries are falling flat on their face.

American rugged individualism is about to run head first into a collective action problem and fail miserably.

Very much worried about my wife's grandmother. She's in her 80's and has COPD. If an Italian style outbreak is what the US is looking at, we're in for a very rough ride.

LOL.

China: Coronavirus since November, 3,158 deaths so far (~789 deaths/month)

US: Coronavirus since December, 31 deaths so far (~10 deaths/month)
 
Just think - where we're at now, with 300 deaths a day across the world, is just a tiny entree as to what's about to happen.

Even if 90% of cases aren't being tested and the mortality rate ends up at 0.3%, the death total per day will be up to 30,000 or more.

Yes, I did mean thirty thousand. Per day.

And it could be worse than that, because nobody's health systems are capable of coping with a full-throttle epidemic.

Why the hell are we not following SK & China?

I tell ya, the orientals look like having the last laugh here - whitey's getting in the racism while we can, because if we all follow Italy it's going to be very, very nasty.

Just hope Remdesivir works and that you can get some if you need it.
Why is it that your posts are always the most racist ones in the discussion?
 
LOL.

China: Coronavirus since November, 3,158 deaths so far (~789 deaths/month)

US: Coronavirus since December, 31 deaths so far (~10 deaths/month)


Of course. Dear Leader is infallible, his divine presence alone will save the US from the virus...….
 
Ohio just announced new restrictions on public gatherings.
This is getting damn serious, no matter what the Trump worshippers here say.
 
I should add to my post ^^:

Primary focus of the Preparedness Act (2006-present) has been in biotech for 'superbugs' and stockpiling antidotes for things like smallpox or anthrax. They did release a stock of vaccines during the Swine Flu epidemic from the 'stockpile' so it does get used.

The Act also created BARDA (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) which contracts with the private sector for research and testing, mainly for threats not otherwise commercially profitable.
BARDA can procure needed tests and equipment from the private sector (or anywhere really) in an emergency and there are all sorts of fast-track exemptions from the FDA to do it.

Back at the latest renewal of the Preparedness Act (PAHPA), which was then supposedly improved into PAHPAI, the head of BARDA testified in 2018:

Rick Bright, director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), proposed that "cutting-edge testing tools" developed by private companies should go directly to doctors' offices for "rapid, regional response to outbreaks, rather than funneling samples primarily to the CDC for testing."

The new act was signed June 2019 and it now seems obvious that this strategy was not yet implemented. The CDC decided to do it themselves.
 
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