Biden for President?

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...when the Sanders campaign criticized Democratic party "elites". (which is a stupid since he will need their support should he become the nominee.)

The Democratic Party elites are precisely the people he will need to pass M4A and every other massive reform he has been promising. Unless the U.S. suddenly becomes a monarchy, I've no idea how Bernie thinks he is going to get anything done.

Biden, by contrast, has ample support in both chambers of the legislature and he's asking for relatively modest reforms. He should have a good shot.
 
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The Democratic Party elites are precisely the people he will need to pass M4A and every other massive reform he has been promising. Unless the U.S. suddenly becomes a monarchy, I've no idea how Bernie thinks he is going to get anything done.

Biden, by contrast, has ample support in both chambers of the legislature and it asking for relatively modest reforms. He should have a good shot.

Just need to overlook him being a lying scumbag flake but yeah vague promises of “modest reforms.” What a presidential candidate! What a platform!

An America that offers a fair deal for working Americans must be relegated to the too hard basket because the establishment says no. Bend over and like it.
 
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Biden, by contrast, has ample support in both chambers of the legislature and it asking for relatively modest reforms. He should have a good shot.

Ah, yes. Because the Republicans have been so reasonable about modest reforms. They certainly wouldn't try to tank everything the other party attempts, purely from partisan spite, would they?

I suppose next you'll say they'd let a Democratic president appoint someone to the Supreme Court.
 
Ah, yes. Because the Republicans have been so reasonable about modest reforms. They certainly wouldn't try to tank everything the other party attempts, purely from partisan spite, would they?

I suppose next you'll say they'd let a Democratic president appoint someone to the Supreme Court.

Well, they might! How about a compromise? Mitch McConnell okays a Federalist Society-vetted pick from Biden? Sounds fair?
 
I agree. I think Sanders has some problems any time he takes the bait on Cuba. I have said repeatedly that he should just stop saying any "Castro was bad, but Cuba...". He should just say that his model is Denmark or something like that. If you have to explain, you have already lost.

Telling a bunch of brown and black voters how great white countries are. Great strategy.

God, no matter how many times I tell you you people still don't get it. You think minorities don't notice when politicians say the US should be more like white countries? They do. That's one reason why Bernie Sanders isn't popular among blacks.

You people need to get out of this Europormorphic mindset -- viewing the world as entirely white. The world would make a lot more sense if you did.
 
This thread is about Biden.

Exactly.

This is one of the few times where black people exercise their political power in the US. And they're giving the Democratic nomination to Biden. And the all white, "not racist," "skeptic" community has a problem with it.

It's all a big ******* joke.
 
Ah, yes. Because the Republicans have been so reasonable about modest reforms. They certainly wouldn't try to tank everything the other party attempts, purely from partisan spite, would they?

Who said anything about Republicans? The limiting factor on ACA provisions was a fellow best known as Al Gore's erstwhile veep pick.

Just need to overlook him being a lying scumbag flake but yeah vague promises of “modest reforms.” What a presidential candidate! What a platform!

The highlighted bits are how I can tell you've not even skimmed his platform.

I will note here that neither of you even tried to answer my question about how Bernie is going to get huge new reforms through Congress (not to mention the Roberts court).
 
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Concerns over Biden's cognitive state are not new and did not start from Trump, Sanders, or Russian trolls.

Try Booker, Castro, and Ryan.

[url="https://theintercept.com/2020/03/09/it-was-democrats-and-their-media-allies-who-impugned-bidens-cognitive-fitness-yet-now-feign-outrage/?fbclid=IwAR1EygSFct4-jsuhQI2DaZaJnbbgQmgyqSm2Ci85eKhfN7qI3_f7iVPmESo]Democrats and Their Media Allies Impugned Biden’s Cognitive Fitness. Now They Feign Outrage.[/url]

And so, as does happen, what was once orthodox is now heretical.

As to the "why would people do this?" question, it reeks too much of faux-naivete. There's nothing people might gain by following orders? No patronage out there to be awarded for that loyalty? No potential for personal gain of some kind, financial or otherwise? Just a straightforward "should I do the right thing" decision with zero possible corruptive influence?

Horse hockey.

ETA: A lot of issues that happen in life and derided as "conspiracy theories" don't need a conspiracy to occur.

They just need to people to act like the system they are part of conditions them to act. Nobody cleverly designed the system to do so on purpose for some kind of 18-dimensional chess strategy.

Well, color me shocked! Are you trying to say that fellow Dems, running against Biden in the 2020 primaries, would stoop to questioning his cognitive abilities? And here I thought they were above such machinations.

For C's sake, it was no more "orthodox" then than it is now; it was the same damn thing. Throw it out there and hope it sticks.

But what's your point? Because they did so that somehow absolves Sanders supporters from continuing this tactic? That it somehow makes them more true? Booker, Castro, and Ryan didn't present anything more in evidence than you, or Oxy, or any other "Bidens's got dementia" fan.

To claim that 12 former Dem candidates truly think Biden has dementia but are planning to make him POTUS anyway is a conspiracy theory no matter how you try to normalize it.

By the way, I, and no one else I've seen ever seen, said it started with Russian bots. I said the memo released the day after Super Tuesday COULD have come from a Russian misinformation campaign as no one has been able to find its origin. Stop misrepresenting what I said. It's dishonest.
 
Just need to overlook him being a lying scumbag flake but yeah vague promises of “modest reforms.” What a presidential candidate! What a platform!

An America that offers a fair deal for working Americans must be relegated to the too hard basket because the establishment says no. Bend over and like it.

As I understand it, you're Australian? Correct? If so, what is the motive behind your (fanatical, as I see it) support for Sanders? You don't have a dog in this fight. I'm curious.
 
Plagiarism in Bidens 1988 Campaign (WP on YouTube)

Replace one lying grifter with another. He could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue if you thought he would appoint the right judges.
 
As I understand it, you're Australian? Correct? If so, what is the motive behind your (fanatical, as I see it) support for Sanders? You don't have a dog in this fight. I'm curious.

Just a warning I will report posts that personalise arguments. Don’t make this about me.
 
Well, color me shocked! Are you trying to say that fellow Dems, running against Biden in the 2020 primaries, would stoop to questioning his cognitive abilities? And here I thought they were above such machinations.

For C's sake, it was no more "orthodox" then than it is now; it was the same damn thing. Throw it out there and hope it sticks.

It was "orthodox" in the sense that it could be made part of the conversation and not produce howls of outrage.

Now bringing it up gets you called one step shy of a "useful idiot for the other side."

But what's your point? Because they did so that somehow absolves Sanders supporters from continuing this tactic? That it somehow makes them more true? Booker, Castro, and Ryan didn't present anything more in evidence than you, or Oxy, or any other "Bidens's got dementia" fan.

My point was to share the information I shared.

Accept or deny the information on its own merits rather than based on what "the point" of sharing it was. Attempting to connect the information to a hidden agenda of some kind seems like laying the groundwork for confirmation bias.

To claim that 12 former Dem candidates truly think Biden has dementia but are planning to make him POTUS anyway is a conspiracy theory no matter how you try to normalize it.
I wasn't trying to normalize it and again I emphatically disagree. Tens of thousands if not millions of people every day savagely exploit whole swathes of the world and subject them to misery. But they don't have a secret bat signal or a hotline number to call for their latest orders.

We conquered 2 entire countries and subjected their populations to brutal oppression and sustained campaigns of extrajudicial murders with high collateral damage counts. It wasn't a conspiracy. It was massive numbers of people doing what their environments and institutional systems conditioned them to do.

By the way, I, and no one else I've seen ever seen, said it started with Russian bots. I said the memo released the day after Super Tuesday COULD have come from a Russian misinformation campaign as no one has been able to find its origin. Stop misrepresenting what I said. It's dishonest.

Okay, I can only reference arguments made right on this forum from now on. Understood. Could you please have the mods update the ToS to reflect this new requirement?

Couldn't help but notice that you have no issue twisting my words around and then ending your post having made it about you and your victimization at my hands.

So let's drop all the emotional frontery.

Do you accept the information that this concern (or "attack", makes no difference to me, really) is not only from <insert person or group you don't like here>, shouldn't be dismissed on those lines anyways (poisoning the well analogy), and has been a discussion point since long before Biden's recent successes at the polls?

I do have a "point" or "agenda" and that's to put lie to the idea that this criticism can be dismissed solely by impugning the motives of those saying it.

My absolutely relevant concern is exemplified by his recent showing in St. Louis. It actually isn't the flubbed "re-elect" line, either. It was leaking Kamala's endorsement.

We don't need another President who blurts stuff out that is supposed to be confidential in the wrong settings. Doing so to puff up the ego or doing so because of being just daffy doesn't make a difference in impact.

ETA: I should also add, I don't even need him to have dementia to have a reason for concern, so I reject that entire framing and regret buying into it at all. I don't care what the explanation is and I'm not emotionally invested in one. I don't think he's "there" enough to do this job.
 
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, can we just calm down for a moment and try to be fair to both sides? Get out of your own headspace and try to see the world through the eyes of others. Democrats are (likely) going to choose Biden simply because they think he has a better chance in a general election, and Republicans are going to back Trump because they're evil.
 
Just a warning I will report posts that personalise arguments. Don’t make this about me.

Wow. I asked the question because I find it unusual that someone who isn't American would be so invested in whether Sanders or Biden becomes POTUS. No need for making it into something more than it was. Take a chill pill, dude.
 
The Democratic Party elites are precisely the people he will need to pass M4A and every other massive reform he has been promising. Unless the U.S. suddenly becomes a monarchy, I've no idea how Bernie thinks he is going to get anything done.

Biden, by contrast, has ample support in both chambers of the legislature and he's asking for relatively modest reforms. He should have a good shot.

The argument is a Bernie campaign will motivate so many disaffected non-voters to become voters that a Sanders campaign would reshape the base and exert pressure on other elected officials.
 
Wow. I asked the question because I find it unusual that someone who isn't American would be so invested in whether Sanders or Biden becomes POTUS. No need for making it into something more than it was. Take a chill pill, dude.

Lol just stick to the topic and you will be fine.
 
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