Why Trump will be reelected

Okay no more "long term plans" from anyone who doesn't have a plan on how to deal with a 7-2 Conservative Supreme Court.

That will not be a goddamn "Foot note." It's a major shift in the balance of power for the rest of most of our lives.
 
Belz... said:
You can't possibly be serious. Biden may not be a great choice, and personally if pressed I'd prefer Sanders, but he's worlds better than Trump, and pretending otherwise, especially considering the party he belongs to, is just dishonest.



That's true enough, but Biden wouldn't be king. Especially now, he may be little more than a rubber stamp, assuming the Democrats can flip the Senate.



It's yet to be seen the damage Trump and his court appointments could do.
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You misunderstand me. Of course Biden would be a better president than Trump. For all the obvious reasons. If it's a Biden-Trump race, the option is quite clear, and it's not Trump. Hopefully enough other people also feel this way, but I've given up even pretending to know what the country wants after 2016.

I just wonder whether a Biden presidency would be enough to stamp out the embers of the proto-authoritarian right. I don't think Trump is a one-off anomaly. He's one possible response to growing disaffection in the country. If things don't change substantially, and soon, another will be along shortly.

Trump's silver lining is that he is deeply lazy, undisciplined, and inconsistently ideological. The next right wing reactionary leader that takes advantage of intense populist rage might not share these vices.
 
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Belz... said:
Especially now, he may be little more than a rubber stamp, assuming the Democrats can flip the Senate.
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This sounds like a pretty wonderful deal to me, at least as I'd like to envision it playing out.

Senate Majority Leader Elizabeth Warren comes up with legislative fixes and systemic reforms that are just as progressive as they can be, given the ideological differences which exist among half a hundred Democratic Senators. She passes these reforms out of the Senate and Leader Pelosi has no trouble getting them through the House.

Subsequently, Biden throws a rubberstamp party: :gavel: :gavel: :gavel:

I would pack up and move to this timeline in a heartbeat.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
The two established entrenched sides have been playing the "No you have to vote for my candidate or YOU'LL RUIN THIS ELECTION FOR ME AND THIS ONE IS TOO IMPORTANT TO LOSE!" card against 3rd party, independants, and outliers within their own party pretty much as their sole argument for a long time.
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Close, but not quite the real problem; the real problem is that both sides were really the same side all along: the bribe-taking, trickle-up-economics, let-the-peasants-eat-dirt side.

JoeMorgue said:
Couldn't you have played this game against Romney or McCain and not saved it for goddamn Donald Trump?
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Nobody's been saving it. There are just now more people realizing/admitting it... possibly in response to Trump and how Democrats have handled him, so it wasn't possible before.

JoeMorgue said:
Suck it up. We don't have time to play your long game.
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The short game isn't buying any time. It's what's been leading to where we are now.
 
d4m10n said:
This sounds like a pretty wonderful deal to me, at least as I'd like to envision it playing out.

Senate Majority Leader Elizabeth Warren comes up with legislative fixes and systemic reforms that are just as progressive as they can be, given the ideological differences which exist among half a hundred Democratic Senators. She passes these reforms out of the Senate and Leader Pelosi has no trouble getting them through the House.

Subsequently, Biden throws a rubberstamp party: :gavel: :gavel: :gavel:

I would pack up and move to this timeline in a heartbeat.
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Then the SCOTUS, including Clarence Thomas who has Joe Biden's sexist haranguing of Anita Hill partially to thank for his seat, rules it all unconstitutional. Then they overrule Roe V Wade, declare the US a giant thunderdome, and have long afternoon nap.

Ok, I'm having a bit of fun here. This is supposed to be a no malarkey zone.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Then the SCOTUS, including Clarence Thomas who has Joe Biden's sexist haranguing of Anita Hill partially to thank for his seat, rules it all unconstitutional. Then they overrule Roe V Wade, declare the US a giant thunderdome, and have long afternoon nap.

Ok, I'm having a bit of fun here. This is supposed to be a no malarkey zone.
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And your plan is to hand them two more justices as a fair trade for some short term "Wake up the sheeple" victory?
 
JoeMorgue said:
And your plan is to hand them two more justices as a fair trade for some short term "Wake up the sheeple" victory?
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Strawmen don't vote.

It might shock you to learn it's possible to vote for Biden in the general and still think he's a terrible candidate. In fact, more than half the country can vote for him and he could still lose!
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Then the SCOTUS, including Clarence Thomas who has Joe Biden's sexist haranguing of Anita Hill partially to thank for his seat, rules it all unconstitutional.
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Wait, I thought you were arguing for even more progressive and less precedented reforms such as the total abolition of private medical insurance contracts?

You think Clarence Thomas is down for those?
 
d4m10n said:
Wait, I thought you were arguing for even more progressive and less precedented reforms such as the total abolition of private medical insurance contracts?

You think Clarence Thomas is down for those?
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Emperor Bernie gonna make the SCOTUS 100 members and pack it with young, healthy DSA members that take their orders from Cuba.
 
d4m10n said:
This sounds like a pretty wonderful deal to me, at least as I'd like to envision it playing out.

Senate Majority Leader Elizabeth Warren comes up with legislative fixes and systemic reforms that are just as progressive as they can be, given the ideological differences which exist among half a hundred Democratic Senators. She passes these reforms out of the Senate and Leader Pelosi has no trouble getting them through the House.

Subsequently, Biden throws a rubberstamp party: :gavel: :gavel: :gavel:

I would pack up and move to this timeline in a heartbeat.
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Biden could spend his presidency in bed and on oxygen, for all I care. As long as the Senate is won back at some point, and the House is held.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Emperor Bernie gonna make the SCOTUS 100 members and pack it with young, healthy DSA members that take their orders from Cuba.
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Falling back on snide self referential jokes when someone makes a valid point doesn't make your case nearly as well as you think it does.
 
Again not really selling me on the "Oh we're totally not the Trumpers" here.

Got the laughing dog gif handy?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Again not really selling me on the "Oh we're totally not the Trumpers" here.

Got the laughing dog gif handy?
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Dutifully marching into the polling station to vote for Hillary 2.0. Maybe it'll be less bitter this time, like an acquired taste, ya know?

All joking aside, I hope that the general hatred of Trump is enough to for any Democratic candidate, including Biden, to win. Just not optimistic.
 
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We're at an impasse if you can only conceptualize of people's opinions within the framework of how they fit on some imaginary political scale.

90% of voters don't give a crap about where someone charts on the Left to Right Spectrum. They see the political parties as either/or choices.

But you keep scarfing down that veal. Sooner or later it will really impress all the less pure vegetarians.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Dutifully marching into the polling station to vote for Hillary 2.0. Maybe it'll be less bitter this time, like an acquired taste, ya know?
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Hopefully, yes.

Do you sincerely believe the Roberts court will look at Sanders' most ambitious reforms (e.g. abolishing private insurance) and find them constitutional?
 
Hillary Clinton was more capable than Biden is now, baggage and all.

Obama should have never gassed Biden up. I'm not sure he would have wanted to run in 2020 if it weren't for Obama.
 
JoeMorgue said:
We're at an impasse if you can only conceptualize of people's opinions within the framework of how they fit on some imaginary political scale.

90% of voters don't give a crap about where someone charts on the Left to Right Spectrum. They see the political parties as either/or choices.

But you keep scarfing down that veal. Sooner or later it will really impress all the less pure vegetarians.
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You mean vegans, right? :boxedin:


*** Elagabalus takes out his oversized wooden ladle and carefully begins to stir the wheelbarrow full of melted butter ***
 
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