Why Trump will be reelected

Upchurch said:
This.

I made what I thought was a rational plea aimed towards the Bernie-Bro that, he wins the nomination, Biden is the best chance to get rid of Trump and maybe it would be best to not demonize him if you are going to have to end up voting for him.

Based on the feedback I got from that, I think it's safe to say that Trump has it in the bag.
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SuburbanTurkey said:
I have no doubt that Bernie and his supporters will be blamed for any loss regardless of who the candidate is. It'll either be Bernie's fault because he's too left and moderates won't vote for him, or it'll be Bernie's fault because the Bernie bros didn't turn out for Biden.
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Incredible.

You guys are eating each other rather than focusing on the real threat.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Defecting primary voters are a constant of political life. Sanders voters were actually more loyal than most to the party. They didn't cost Hillary the election.
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Other than the 51k Sanders supporters who voted Trump in Wisconsin, the 47k Sanders supporters who voted Trump in Michigan, and the 116k Sanders supporters who voted Trump in Pennsylvania, this statement holds true.
 
I do love how the far left and far right have joined in glorious harmony in their opinion that the system is so messed up and not worth saving that any level of compromise, temporary fixes, "good enough" or similar concepts are not worth and the system being pulled down on all our heads is a just comeuppance for our sins of not being ideologically pure enough for them.

This is a vegetarian who when the restaurant only has regular kale and not the organically grown non-GMO kale grown in low water hydroponic farms he thinks is perfect, he eats a bucket of factory farmed veal just to spite the system, and yet somehow still argues he's a better vegetarian then the guy next to him who just ordered the regular kale.
 
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d4m10n said:
Other than the 51k Sanders supporters who voted Trump in Wisconsin, the 47k Sanders supporters who voted Trump in Michigan, and the 116k Sanders supporters who voted Trump in Pennsylvania, this statement holds true.
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Sadly, even not voting for either would have kept the Trumpeter out of the White House.
Sanders supporters could have written him in, voted third party, or simply not cast a vote for POTUS at all. Voting for Trump was a spiteful act.
 
Distracted1 said:
Voting for Trump was a spiteful act.
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And we need to come to terms with the fact that intentionally (Trump) and unintentionally (Sanders) politicians are tapping into "spite" as a new political resources.

Up until the last few years even the most vile, hateful, dishonest, dirty, and unqualified politicians had to at least pretend to offer you something you wanted.

Now? An unspoken "Elect me specifically because it will make things worse and justify your edgelord High School emo fake 'Nothing matters, everything is equally bad' nihilism affect" or "Because it will tweak the other side and won't that be a hoot" is enough.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I do love how the far left and far right have joined in glorious harmony in their opinion that the system is so messed up and not worth saving that any level of compromise, temporary fixes, "good enough" or similar concepts are not worth and the system being pulled down on all our heads is a just comeuppance for our sins of not being ideologically pure enough for them.

This is a vegetarian who when the restaurant only has regular kale and not the organically grown non-GMO kale grown in low water hydroponic farms he thinks is perfect, he eats a bucket of factory farmed veal just to spite the system.
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There is a portion of the country that don't find "a return to Obama-era normalcy" as being that great of a solution.

It's better than Trump, but that's not saying much.

My real fear is that Trump is removed, some do-nothing Dem gets the office, and someone much worse and more competent than Trump is able to use inevitable populist backlash to pull the country even harder to the right.

There are some deep fissures in the foundation of our society and technocratic centrists are not the solution. These people are twiddling their thumbs while the authoritarian, reactionary right is building up steam.
 
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If (g)you are so far into the Far Left bubble that Obama and Trump are "the same" in even the broadest category, seek help.

And again this is Trumpism from the other side. I've heard "LOL all politicians are dirty so we elected the worst one to show you squares that nothing you do matters" Joker/Tyler Durden routine in the subtext and outright text of the Trumpers for the last 3 years. I don't need to hear it again from the Left.
 
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Segnosaur said:
As an analogy, the Clinton/McCain situation is like wanting a Big Mac and finding out your local McDonalds is closed, so you go to Burger King for a whopper instead. On the other hand, the Sanders/Trump situation is like wanting a Big Mac, finding the McDonald's is closed, and deciding to eat a dead bird you found on the side of the road.
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This line of argument has two flaws.

Both of them are that he chose Sarah Palin to be his vice president.

Both the reality of her being that close to power, and the fact what choosing her says about his judgment and ability to lead.
 
I get it.

The two established entrenched sides have been playing the "No you have to vote for my candidate or YOU'LL RUIN THIS ELECTION FOR ME AND THIS ONE IS TOO IMPORTANT TO LOSE!" card against 3rd party, independants, and outliers within their own party pretty much as their sole argument for a long time. I've taken them to task for as much in the past. The two party, first past the post system lets them play this game. It's wrong and it sucks and it needs to be changed.

But it rather sucks that "This race is too important to lose" is true the one goddamn time a bunch of butt hurt ideologiest decided to make a counter point of it.

Couldn't you have played this game against Romney or McCain and not saved it for goddamn Donald Trump? We as a country would have survived a McCain or Romney presidency. But another Trump term is at least two more hardcore conservative judges on the Supreme Court for... the... rest... of... our... lives.

Suck it up. We don't have time to play your long game.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
I do love how the far left and far right have joined in glorious harmony in their opinion that the system is so messed up and not worth saving that any level of compromise, temporary fixes, "good enough" or similar concepts are not worth and the system being pulled down on all our heads is a just comeuppance for our sins of not being ideologically pure enough for them.

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Perhaps it's worth exploring why so many people seem to be really unhappy with the status quo. Centrist types are always so gleeful to dismiss this sentiment right up until it punches them in the nose.
 
JoeMorgue said:
This is a vegetarian who when the restaurant only has regular kale and not the organically grown non-GMO kale grown in low water hydroponic farms he thinks is perfect, he eats a bucket of factory farmed veal just to spite the system, and yet somehow still argues he's a better vegetarian then the guy next to him who just ordered the regular kale.
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:newlol
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Perhaps it's worth exploring why so many people seem to be really unhappy with the status quo. Centrist types are always so gleeful to dismiss this sentiment right up until it punches them in the nose.
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Again, already heard it from the Trumpers. It's the same tune.
 
Belz... said:
:newlol
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It's actually worse than that now that I think about.

This is a vegetarian who goes into a restaurant, orders the organic, GMO-free, hydroponically grown kale, is told that they only thing they have available is regular kale so he orders a giant bucket of factory farmed veal just to spite "the system" all while still proclaiming himself an ideologically pure vegetarian... and he goes around the restaurant berating all the vegetarians eating the regular veal and trying to get them to eat the veal as well because the regular kale represents some approval of "the system."

You can make compromises and still fight the same fight. People who live in the real world and not Twitter understand this.
 
Belz... said:
It's saying enough.
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That remains to be seen.

Having a large population of increasingly pissed off, disaffected people is a massive gift to the reactionary right. We have already seen an explosion of explicitly fascist and reactionary right wing groups in the last 4 years. Trump leaving office is only one piece of this.

The Trump presidency could end up just being a footnote for some other right wing leader who is much more cruel, effective, and ideological.
 
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d4m10n said:
I came across an interesting article this morning essentially arguing that the economic repercussions of the novel coronavirus, paired with colossal and obvious maladministration, will bascially doom the incumbent administration's chances at a second term.

https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/1237055246221881345
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It would doom any President who hadn't been elected to intentionally break the system to show us all "how bad it is."
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
That remains to be seen.
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You can't possibly be serious. Biden may not be a great choice, and personally if pressed I'd prefer Sanders, but he's worlds better than Trump, and pretending otherwise, especially considering the party he belongs to, is just dishonest.

Having a large population of increasingly pissed off, disaffected people is a massive gift to the reactionary right.
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That's true enough, but Biden wouldn't be king. Especially now, he may be little more than a rubber stamp, assuming the Democrats can flip the Senate.

The Trump presidency could end up just being a footnote for some other right wing leader who is much more cruel, effective, and ideological.
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It's yet to be seen the damage Trump and his court appointments could do.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Suck it up. We don't have time to play your long game.
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At least those other elections the candidates themselves gave a plausible case as to why they should be president and let the Lesser Of Two Evils context mostly just play out in the background.


That Biden has effectively made this the centerpiece of his campaign is ironically the best reason for not playing the game. He could be out there talking affirmative solutions but really he's trying to define himself as being better than Trump in ways that are unlikely to move the needle.

Biden will likely win if there is a major recession or Trump gets rightly blamed if the coronavirus gets as nasty as projected. So yeah.

Other than that, it feels like the Democratic Party bet Mortimer Duke $1 that they could win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote by larger margins than in 2016.
 
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