Belz...
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Interesting that they had to go back 40 years to find an opinion of Sanders' that they took issue with.
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Interesting that they had to go back 40 years to find an opinion of Sanders' that they took issue with.
Belz...
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I love how Garrison thinks his readers are stupid and need everything labeled, including Sanders and Biden.
What an idiot.
Fast Eddie B
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I do NOT want to take on the role of searching out what Trump might use for ammunition against Sanders.
But this hit my Apple News feed this morning:
As Bernie Sanders Pushed for Closer Ties, Soviet Union Spotted Opportunity
Previously unseen documents from a Soviet archive show how hard Mr. Sanders worked to find a sister city in Russia when he was a mayor in the 1980s. Moscow saw a chance for propaganda.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/world/europe/bernie-sanders-soviet-russia.html
Whether or not he’s the nominee, it seems inevitable that these little gems will continue to dribble out, no doubt exaggerated in their import by Trump and associates.
I honestly don’t think these stories being 40 years old will make any difference. Think about how far back they had to go to get something, anything, on Warren.
Sideroxylon
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There is plenty of Biden stuff coming out as people search transcripts on sites like CSpan. Only Sanders stuff being posted here however,
BobTheCoward
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I always thought sister cities was a propaganda tool. Do they have some merit beyond mediia?
Sideroxylon
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Marvel at every one of the geniuses involved with the fluster cluck at MSNbC.
https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1235883537850675200?s=21
https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1235883537850675200?s=21
TragicMonkey
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If you set fire to one sister city it remains unharmed while its counterpart gets burned. It was a method of exchanging hostages during the cold war. Also if you were level 40 or above you got access to a portal between sister cities, and a 10% reputation buff with each of them.
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Not anymore you don't. When was the last time you saw an Elks Lodge kitted out enough to support a portal? City budgets are too tight for that. Around here they get you one cultural festival event a year, tops.
Suddenly
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LOLOLOLOLOL. .
This visit was in 1988. Also in 1988:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-06-01-mn-3667-story.html
The Muppets visited the USSR that year as well. Billy Joel the year before. US/USSR relations were on a massive upswing.
That article uses the word "propaganda" and makes it sound sinister when it really amounts to what the US would call "public relations." Yeah, the USSR Communist Party was obviously going to see this as a possible way to gain political advantage. How did that work out for them?
Given the trajectory of US/USSR relations in the few years after this, the visit makes Bernie look like a gifted visionary statesman who was at the front of the pack in the political engagement that eventually dismantled the Iron Curtain.
I mean, unless someone is doing some serious red-baiting revisionist history.
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William Parcher
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I don't know crap about politics and dislike it all intensely. But I guess I want the impossible one to be President. Tulsi Gabbard.
I was happy to have a black President and now I think we should have a female President. It won't happen right now, but what can I say?
I was happy to have a black President and now I think we should have a female President. It won't happen right now, but what can I say?
Distracted1
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That is a flaw in thinking that highlights the different outlook between Dems and Reps.
Democrats expect the gov. to be able to handle certain things to a certain level of competence, and Democrats running for office run partially on an ability to get things done.
Republicans run on the assertion that the government can't really get anything done right anyway, then actively attempt to sabotage its' abilities when they get elected. The Republican voter base becomes more enamored with their philosophy the more their elected leaders are able to screw things up.
It is not Trump who is short of coronavirus test kits- it is "the Federal Government", which is the enemy of any red-blooded American anyway.
What he said.
An... appreciable amount (no I can't pin an exact percentage point on it or declare it a definitive majority or minority of X but a statistically meaningful amount of people) still see the government getting involved, no matter how bad things are, as only making it worse.
Sure X percent of our population is puking their internal organs out through their tearducts because of Herpasyphigonnalitis but at the least the government isn't rounding us up to put into death camps like we're brown children or something.
And no the cognitive dissonance that it is "their" preferred government in power doesn't matter to them. And no the fact that they happily accept government power and overreach in other scenarios doesn't matter to them either.
As said the Right has created a mindspace for themselves where they elect incompetent or evil people into power as proof that the government doesn't work and are applying it only when it works for them and regardless of how little sense that makes to us it's how they are operating mentally right now.
We see it here on this board all the time. How many times have various certain someones argued either in the subtext or the outright text that Trump breaking the government is either a good thing or a just punishment on us becoming too dependant on government to do things?
As weird as it seems much like his evil for Trump his incompetence is a feature, not a bug. And, as crazy as it seems, him screwing up might work in his favor.
It's how things work in a post-facts world. If you argue something doesn't work and someone argues that it does, just break it so you're right and there is a number of people who that mentality makes perfect sense to.
An... appreciable amount (no I can't pin an exact percentage point on it or declare it a definitive majority or minority of X but a statistically meaningful amount of people) still see the government getting involved, no matter how bad things are, as only making it worse.
Sure X percent of our population is puking their internal organs out through their tearducts because of Herpasyphigonnalitis but at the least the government isn't rounding us up to put into death camps like we're brown children or something.
And no the cognitive dissonance that it is "their" preferred government in power doesn't matter to them. And no the fact that they happily accept government power and overreach in other scenarios doesn't matter to them either.
As said the Right has created a mindspace for themselves where they elect incompetent or evil people into power as proof that the government doesn't work and are applying it only when it works for them and regardless of how little sense that makes to us it's how they are operating mentally right now.
We see it here on this board all the time. How many times have various certain someones argued either in the subtext or the outright text that Trump breaking the government is either a good thing or a just punishment on us becoming too dependant on government to do things?
As weird as it seems much like his evil for Trump his incompetence is a feature, not a bug. And, as crazy as it seems, him screwing up might work in his favor.
It's how things work in a post-facts world. If you argue something doesn't work and someone argues that it does, just break it so you're right and there is a number of people who that mentality makes perfect sense to.
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Wait until corona is done.
There will only be 327 US citizens left.
Hopefully Bloomberg is one of them, so that he can share one million with each.
Distracted1
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One doesn't even need to break it themselves. Just assert that someone else will read it- and therefore it has less merit than not attempting to achieve its' function at all.
After all, If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
It is sort of amazing that the Right has created a paradigm for themselves where they control the Presidency, the Senate, the Supreme Court, most state Governorships, most state legislators, basically the only thing the Left has is a simple majority in the House, and they still, somehow, maintain the illusion to themselves that government is inherently corrupt and bad and no mental gears ever grind.
"We have all the power, but we need more power to stop the government, of which we are the overwhelming part of, from using it's corrupt power to hurt us."
You used the "Only outlaws will have guns" metaphor but it's worse than even that. This is like buying a gun to protect yourself from your own gun because you're afraid you might shoot yourself with it, so you buy another gun to protect you from the first gun... also held by you.
Right now the Right is both the gun salesman telling you that you just have to buy a gun for self protection and the burglar breaking into your house and they aren't even trying to hide it or deny it.
"We have all the power, but we need more power to stop the government, of which we are the overwhelming part of, from using it's corrupt power to hurt us."
You used the "Only outlaws will have guns" metaphor but it's worse than even that. This is like buying a gun to protect yourself from your own gun because you're afraid you might shoot yourself with it, so you buy another gun to protect you from the first gun... also held by you.
Right now the Right is both the gun salesman telling you that you just have to buy a gun for self protection and the burglar breaking into your house and they aren't even trying to hide it or deny it.
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Suddenly
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Trump, by his statements that this is no big deal, is in a political sense freerolling.
If the pandemic fizzles out, he looks like the guy who didn't panic and knew better than the experts so people should listen to him about other liberal BS.
Attacking him about his incompetence backfires either way. If it fizzles out they look really stupid because he knew things they didn't. If it gets bad, Trump can claim it was because the Democrats played politics by attacking him instead of helping.
Trump stumbles into this stuff like a political Mr. Magoo.
It's why Trump is keeping the Deep State card primed and ready to play, since his actual political rivals now have actual levels of applicable political power somewhere between a Boy Scout Troop and an American Legion Post he has to be able to invoke some shadow cabal of off the grid government agents who are "holding him back."
It's "Corrupt Government of the Gaps" basically.
Which is not a good sign because when people in power purge the government of effective opposition but need to maintain the "We'd be doing everything perfectly but they won't let us" narrative they have to start making up the "theys" to be the enemy and that rarely leads to unicorn rainbow sprinkles on clouds of cotton candy.
It's "Corrupt Government of the Gaps" basically.
Which is not a good sign because when people in power purge the government of effective opposition but need to maintain the "We'd be doing everything perfectly but they won't let us" narrative they have to start making up the "theys" to be the enemy and that rarely leads to unicorn rainbow sprinkles on clouds of cotton candy.
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Don't worry, Gell-Mann amnesia will kick in soon enough.
theprestige
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After the way they treated him last time, I'm not sure he'd want to go back. Also, it's likely he's still seen as tainted goods by a lot of people.