Cont: 2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part IV

[varwoche]

No. At least not the way they'd probably do it. Which is to beat the dead horse that he is a bigoted scumbag.

In 2016 Trump literally said that wages were too high. That should have been played on a loop in every rust belt state around the clock. That is the subject matter that will move the needle at this point.

Indeed. The ad should include the clip of him bragging to the mar a lago crowd about how much richer he made them.

 

[Cabbage]

Stipulated that Trump will viciously and relentlessly attack whoever the Democratic nominee is - it’s his MO and not even his lawyer and early and ardent supporters are immune - thinking Cohen and Sessions for two.

But I still think Sanders is especially vulnerable in this regard - as I said before, the attack ads on Bernie will write themselves.

Here’s one from my Facebook feed a few days ago:

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Now imagine the ads in S Florida painting Bernie as “praising” Castro.

I will support Sanders 100% if he’s the nominee. I support Medicare for All, so there’s that. But I’m not optimistic as to how he will fare in the general election once he’s the sole target of the Trump/Republican smear machine.

Regarding that meme you posted, honest question:

Are you the gullible one or are you simply concerned that others will be particularly gullible with respect to Sanders?


https://www.politifact.com/factchec...hecking-ties-between-bernie-sanders-socialis/

These lies can be spread about anyone, you know.

 

[dudalb]

I am going to bell the cat here;

How many of the Bernie supporters here will vote for Biden in November is he gets the nomination?
If not, why?

 

[Cabbage]

I am going to bell the cat here;

How many of the Bernie supporters here will vote for Biden in November is he gets the nomination?
If not, why?

I'm still suspicious of the fact that you never answered my question a few weeks ago:

Would you vote for Bernie if he won the nomination?

Don't expect an answer from me if you've demonstrated you can't reciprocate. I have no faith that you engage in good faith because of this.

 

[dudalb]

I think a lot of liberal types were in denial about the whole issue. They tried to hand-wave away the problem as the usual right-wing nonsense, but there was some actual meat to the controversy.

I like Warren as a Senator, but this whole claiming to be Native American in a professional context thing is a black mark on her record. It plays exactly into the worst tropes of affirmative action policies.

Curious to see who she endorses, or if she abstains from endorsing at all.

We agree on something, Warren's whole Native American routine was sheer pandering.
For the record I work with a number of Native American at the Federal Agecy I work for, and they laughed their heads off at Warren's claims.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I am going to bell the cat here;

How many of the Bernie supporters here will vote for Biden in November is he gets the nomination?
If not, why?

You won't get a straight answer.

Because if Biden gets the nomination, that's just gonna be proof that the evil establishment DNC cheated Sanders.

It's not that they won't vote for Biden if he becomes the... "rightful" (not the exact word I'm looking for but close) nominee, it's that they will never accept that he is the rightful nominee.

Again I'd love an answer on how many current Sanders supporters buy into the "Sanders was cheated out of the 2016 nomination" conspiracy theory.

 

[dudalb]

I'm still suspicious of the fact that you never answered my question a few weeks ago:

Would you vote for Bernie if he won the nomination?

Don't expect an answer from me if you've demonstrated you can't reciprocate. I have no faith that you engage in good faith because of this.

Yes, I woulod vote for Bernie. I would vote for Mickey Mouse as being a better then what we have now.
I am convinced he would lose, but I would still vote for him.

 

[dudalb]

You won't get a straight answer.

Because if Biden gets the nomination, that's just gonna be proof that they evil establishment DNC cheated Sanders.

It's not that they won't vote for Biden if he becomes the... "rightful" (not the exact word I'm looking for but close) nominee, it's that they will never accept that he is the rightful nominee.

Again I'd love an answer on how many current Sanders supporters buy into the "Sanders was cheated out of the 2016 nomination" conspiracy theory.

When you resort to Conspiracy theories, that's a pretty good sign you know you are losing.

 

[acbytesla]

The people in the Rust Belt don't think the Rust Belt jobs are ever coming back. Nobody does.

Nobody believed Trump when he said he was going to save factory jobs. The Trumpers just heard it for the coded message that it was. "Yeah you and I know that factory ain't never gonna open up again, I'm just here to punish the people who did it, the people you think did it, the people you already hated and now are using this as an excuse to hate, everyone who's better off then you and you're jealous, and hell while we are at it just everyone you've ever wanted to punish for whatever reason."

This is why people are so confused when Trump outright says to his supporters "I'm going to do the thing" then doesn't do the thing and they still love him. Because they didn't hear "I'm gonna do the thing" they heard what he was actually saying "Listen we both know I can't do the thing, but me pretending I'm gonna do the thing is gonna troll the libs soooooo hard and isn't that just awesome?"

Trump didn't tap into some hidden well of hope in the rural areas and the heartland and the rustbelt that things were ever going to get better and he was going to lead them to it. This is spite and revenge and... just raw uncategorized, unorganized lashing out. It's not hope.

The rural areas of America haven't pinned any hope on Donald Trump, that's ludicrous.

I think there is some truth to this. That said, the Democrats didn't close those plants.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I think there is some truth to this. That said, the Democrats didn't close those plants.

Of course they didn't.

But sometimes you want revenge on the people who wronged you.

Sometime you want spite (whatever the proper noun form of spite would be in that sentence) on the people who still have it good after you've failed.

Sometimes you want to win.

Sometimes you want to make sure everyone loses.

 

[Cabbage]

You won't get a straight answer.

Your bias is showing. I'll be happy to give a straight answer.......assuming I get a straight answer. I'm pretty sure I've posted my answer to this question in the past on this board, in fact.

Because if Biden gets the nomination, that's just gonna be proof that the evil establishment DNC cheated Sanders.

It's not that they won't vote for Biden if he becomes the... "rightful" (not the exact word I'm looking for but close) nominee, it's that they will never accept that he is the rightful nominee.

Again I'd love an answer on how many current Sanders supporters buy into the "Sanders was cheated out of the 2016 nomination" conspiracy theory.

You like to paint with a very broad brush.......of ignorance.

 

[Distracted1]

The people in the Rust Belt don't think the Rust Belt jobs are ever coming back. Nobody does.

Nobody believed Trump when he said he was going to save factory jobs. The Trumpers just heard it for the coded message that it was. "Yeah you and I know that factory ain't never gonna open up again, I'm just here to punish the people who did it, the people you think did it, the people you already hated and now are using this as an excuse to hate, everyone who's better off then you and you're jealous, and hell while we are at it just everyone you've ever wanted to punish for whatever reason."

This is why people are so confused when Trump outright says to his supporters "I'm going to do the thing" then doesn't do the thing and they still love him. Because they didn't hear "I'm gonna do the thing" they heard what he was actually saying "Listen we both know I can't do the thing, but me pretending I'm gonna do the thing is gonna troll the libs soooooo hard and isn't that just awesome?"

Trump didn't tap into some hidden well of hope in the rural areas and the heartland and the rustbelt that things were ever going to get better and he was going to lead them to it. This is spite and revenge and... just raw uncategorized, unorganized lashing out. It's not hope.

The rural areas of America haven't pinned any hope on Donald Trump, that's ludicrous.

I agree.
The path to defeating Trump is definitely not through outrage.
He must be portrayed as the small, thirsty, comical troll that he is.
Laughing at him is the best weapon against him.

 

[Cabbage]

Yes, I woulod vote for Bernie. I would vote for Mickey Mouse as being a better then what we have now.
I am convinced he would lose, but I would still vote for him.

Thank you. Yes, I will vote for Biden, or whoever the Democratic nominee ends up being.

 

[theprestige]

Laughing at him is the best weapon against him.

I don't think that's true. SNL, the Daily Show, and John Oliver have been cracking on him nonstop for three years, and his approval ratings haven't moved at all.

Also, remember that Obama laughing at him is how we got here in the first place.

No, I think laughing at him is probably not the best weapon. Or, if your best weapon either does nothing or just makes him stronger, then you're pretty much screwed.

 

[fishbob]

Pocahontas has left the building

Dammit. Dammit.
The candidate that would make the best president won't be the president.
Dammity damn damn damn.
We will be stuck with one old guy or another whoever wins. The only remaining choice is between evil and stupid vs not evil and ineffective.

Dammit.

 

[fishbob]

The one delegate Tulsi Gabbard won in American Samoa should have won her a ticket to the next "debates" - if rules meant rules for the DNC machine: DNC Scrambles To Change Debate Threshold After Gabbard Qualifies

And yes, the site is down at the moment, likely under attack by "Russian bots". I'm quoting from my RSS feed. Just try again later.

OK, I guess we theoretically have another choice - not old, not a guy, but still evil and not particularly competent.

 

[Ziggurat]

The only remaining choice is between evil and stupid vs not evil and ineffective.

So which one is Biden and which one is Sanders?

 

[fishbob]

I don't think that's true. SNL, the Daily Show, and John Oliver have been cracking on him nonstop for three years, and his approval ratings haven't moved at all.

Also, remember that Obama laughing at him is how we got here in the first place.

No, I think laughing at him is probably not the best weapon. Or, if your best weapon either does nothing or just makes him stronger, then you're pretty much screwed.

Don't worry about it. I will keep laughing at him for you.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I don't think that's true. SNL, the Daily Show, and John Oliver have been cracking on him nonstop for three years, and his approval ratings haven't moved at all.

Also, remember that Obama laughing at him is how we got here in the first place.

No, I think laughing at him is probably not the best weapon. Or, if your best weapon either does nothing or just makes him stronger, then you're pretty much screwed.

I've said it before: the best weapon against Trump is a wheelbarrow full of melted butter. Leave that around him and he'd accidentally drown himself in mere minutes.

 

[fishbob]

So which one is Biden and which one is Sanders?

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