Now that Joe Biden is being called the front-runner and "presumptive" Democratic nominee, it's time to ask what kind of candidate he will be against Trump. I want him (or pretty much any other Democrat) to win, and I can't imagine a lot of Democrats choosing Trump over him, but a couple big Biden gaffes could cause some voters to stay home. I don't think this election is a sure thing.
Biden for President?
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Lots of potential presidents make gaffes, and yet they still become the President.
For example, does anyone else recall Volume 1 of "Bushisms" that was published even before he became the President?
For example, does anyone else recall Volume 1 of "Bushisms" that was published even before he became the President?
Distracted1
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There can be very little campaigning for Biden. He is fading, and needs to bee seen- not heard.
He needs a very dynamic V.P. (obviously a woman) to do the campaigning.
The campaign needs to consist almost entirely of Trump. Trump is going to have to beat Trump this time, as he would in any sane world.
And, finally, we need to have someone in place to instantly transition to when Biden drops, or becomes incapable of moving on.
Seriously, he seems like he is about five minutes from having out-loud conversations with his dead grandfather. I hope I am wrong, but I really do not trust his health.
Trebuchet
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I've just filled out my primary ballot for Biden, but reluctantly. He's too old and gaffe-prone. I'd have preferred Warren. Or maybe even Steyer.
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The primary process has once again helped us winnow down a broad field to the candidate that absolutely nobody is excited about.
Stacyhs
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I find Biden's gaffes of far less concern than the things Trump said during his first campaign. Or what he's said since.
Would Biden have been my first choice? No. But I prefer him to Sanders.
Would Biden have been my first choice? No. But I prefer him to Sanders.
Distracted1
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Funny, just about everyone would have preferred Warren to Biden. Yet here we are with %60 of the delegates left to collect and we are calling it a done deal already.
Not happy at all with the selection process this year. (or last time, for that matter)
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Republicans are pretty good at falling in line. And any who were put off by Trump's statements during the campaign were offset by the ones super thrilled that he "owned the libs".
Liberals, unfortunately are more prone to a few states of mind that make people stay home from the polls. "But he's not who I wanted!" and "Both sides are really the same corporate BS".
I know Joe says and believes some stupid crap, it won't keep me from voting for him because he would have to rape a puppet on the debate stage to even begin to look worse than Trump.
But I am very worried that we've got young voters, Bernie fans, far left progressives all very ready to stay home and say they can't stomach Biden and happy to use a particular gaffe, revelation, or policy difference as an excuse.
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I am reading a number of Bernie Bros who are saying if Bernie does not get the nomination, they will vote for the Green Party or write in Bernie in November, and they make a great show of doing this on "principal".
IMHO that is an incredibly stupid, moronic "principal"
Unless you want Trump relected, which I suspect a number of the more militant Progs really want;because they think that will "radicalize the masses" and we will finally have our glorous people's revolution...
IMHO that is an incredibly stupid, moronic "principal"
Unless you want Trump relected, which I suspect a number of the more militant Progs really want;because they think that will "radicalize the masses" and we will finally have our glorous people's revolution...
Stacyhs
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I completely agree. Those who oppose Trump need to vote for whomever the Dem nominee is. I dislike Sanders a lot but I'd rather have him than Trump.
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Biden is a gaffe machine, that is for sure - and they seem to be coming much more frequently. I suspect most Democrats will overlook them (as they did with his remarks about Obama being the first mainstream black person who was clean, good looking and articulate). I usually find the gaffes amusing, but the current frequency is concerning.
They probably feel (rightfully) that the 'system' is against their candidate. Big media and the Democrats sure look like they didn't want any part of Sanders.
Oh, and the word you were looking for is "principle" not "principal".
They probably feel (rightfully) that the 'system' is against their candidate. Big media and the Democrats sure look like they didn't want any part of Sanders.
Oh, and the word you were looking for is "principle" not "principal".
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Not to worry. I'll be voting for whomever wins the nomination come November. Trump is still going to win.
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I have heard this.
Don't follow though. Seems like "the Democrats" not wanting Sanders- and expressing that pretty clearly with their votes when it became likely that he could get the nomination- is not equal to the "system" being against him. (unless we decide that the Dems who have voted in primaries thus far are actually "the system")
And Journalists reporting on those facts become, I guess, the "big media" that is against him?
Bunch of nonsense.
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I'm disappointed about Warren dropping out, but here we are.
I guess I'm going to be voting for Biden in Missouri's primary on Tuesday. The one thing he's got going for him that Sanders does not, I think, is that it's much more likely that Obama would stump for Biden. I think, or maybe just hope, that will help bring people out to vote and get the Orange Menace out of the White House.
I guess I'm going to be voting for Biden in Missouri's primary on Tuesday. The one thing he's got going for him that Sanders does not, I think, is that it's much more likely that Obama would stump for Biden. I think, or maybe just hope, that will help bring people out to vote and get the Orange Menace out of the White House.
"Gaffes" is a dumb term, an attempt to equate honest mistakes and slips of the tongue without outright vile maliciousness and intentional factual wrongness.
"LOL sure Trump said all Mexicans were rapists and killers and had to be physically restrained from staring into the sun during an eclipse but silly ole' grandpa Joe said 'Squatternut Bosh' when he meant to say 'Butternut Squash' it's all the same!"
"LOL sure Trump said all Mexicans were rapists and killers and had to be physically restrained from staring into the sun during an eclipse but silly ole' grandpa Joe said 'Squatternut Bosh' when he meant to say 'Butternut Squash' it's all the same!"
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Hillary’s best chance to become president.
Distracted1
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Who was her V.P. candidate again?
Do you think Biden has the same negatives in the States that matter that she had?
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I guess you are like President Trump in that you say things that aren’t true. Trump did not say all Mexicans are rapists and killers.
Just for the record I didn’t like what he did say at all.
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If Republican voters were good at falling in line, we wouldn't have -
- the Tea Party movement
- Donald Trump as the Republican nominee in 2016
- Never-Trumpers defecting to the Democratic party
As far as I can tell, everybody likes to say the other party is more authoritarian or submissive or whatever, but in reality both parties have about the same mix of outlooks and attitudes about party loyalty, among their voters.
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