Democratic caucuses and primaries

[Cabbage]

Strange that you didn't have that reaction when I talked about you backtracking. I can't help you if you aren't paying attention.

I gotta admit, I still don't know what the hell you're talking about here.

Now that is a lie. First I said your words meant one thing, but that the reality was different. That's where you got personal because of course you did.

Not a lie, right here is your original post:

Speaking of lying, they're freaking out over the possibility of Trump winning, not Sanders.

Now, do you want to get back on topic or do you want to continue this slap fight?

Actually, I'd kind of like an apology. I don't expect I'll get one, of course.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

There's an exception to every rule.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342124

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Reports out of Texas that people had to wait in line for hours. Some reports as long as 6 hours to vote.

Texas uses voting machines which invariably seem to cause bottlenecks as there aren't enough of these expensive machines on hand.

Is there any good reason to to prefer this method over using bubble-in paper ballots that are automatically counted?

When I lived in S. Carolina, I had to wait in line for nearly an hour for most elections. Same scenario of specialized voting machines that were causing the bottleneck.

Voting in MA now, I walk into a room with dozens of desks with privacy dividers, bubble in my ballot, hand it over to the poll worker and watch it get scanned and counted in real time. As far as I know, MA does not have long lines and long delays to vote.

 

[JoeMorgue]

And then the Democrats do everything they can to piss off and alienate the young, then act surprised the young don't support them. "But we reached out to you by choosing a candidate who's doing all he can to help investment banks trade in dodgy securities then be bailed out by the taxpayers if they fail! What more could you want? Student loans concern you? Yes, you're right, we should deregulate student loans so more banks can profit from them! We're on the same page!"

"We're hip. We're with it. Look we used 'malarky' that's what you youths are saying these days, isn't it? We're just like you. We go the sock hops in our Packards and eat french fried potatos with our malted beverages."

 

[Belz...]

I gotta admit, I still don't know what the hell you're talking about here.

Well I explained it to you as best I can. I'll chalk this up as more communication issues between the two of us.

Not a lie, right here is your original post:

Ok, that's not my original post, though. That's one of the last ones. Again, you can see why I was confused.

Actually, I'd kind of like an apology.

For what? Telling you that by and large the posters here are not afraid of Sanders but simply concerned about his chances?

Gee, I'm sorry for that.

 

[Cabbage]

Well I explained it to you as best I can. I'll chalk this up as more communication issues between the two of us.



Ok, that's not my original post, though. That's one of the last ones. Again, you can see why I was confused.

It most absolutely is the original post in this particular discussion over what I said/meant. I guarantee you can't find one earlier--There is no earlier one.

For what? Telling you that by and large the posters here are not afraid of Sanders but simply concerned about his chances?

Gee, I'm sorry for that.

No, for calling me a liar. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

 

[Distracted1]

"We're hip. We're with it. Look we used 'malarky' that's what you youths are saying these days, isn't it? We're just like you. We go the sock hops in our Packards and eat french fried potatos with our malted beverages."

Each of those phrases might come from someone who was once a "youth vote", and now has a broader vision.
Individual young people, like any other age group, can demonstrate brilliance. And the exuberance that can come with youthful energy is a boon. But I don't see a good rationale for catering to naiveté in order to pursue the fools gold of the "youth vote".

 

[Belz...]

It most absolutely is the original post in this particular discussion over what I said/meant.

See, now you're using "original" in a novel manner, and are surprised when people read it as meaning what it usually means, rather than what you mean in your head.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

It's not my fault if your posts are unclear.

Again, do you want to get back on topic of just bicker?

 

[Cabbage]

See, now you're using "original" in a novel manner, and are surprised when people read it as meaning what it usually means, rather than what you mean in your head.

Nope. I'm using it in the common, every day meaning of the word. If you dispute it being the original post then by all means, please provide an earlier one.

It's not my fault if your posts are unclear.

My posts have been clear. Being deliberately obtuse is your own responsibility.

Again, do you want to get back on topic of just bicker?

I'm not gonna back down when I am quite obviously right.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Reports out of Texas that people had to wait in line for hours. Some reports as long as 6 hours to vote.

Texas uses voting machines which invariably seem to cause bottlenecks as there aren't enough of these expensive machines on hand.

Is there any good reason to to prefer this method over using bubble-in paper ballots that are automatically counted?

When I lived in S. Carolina, I had to wait in line for nearly an hour for most elections. Same scenario of specialized voting machines that were causing the bottleneck.

Voting in MA now, I walk into a room with dozens of desks with privacy dividers, bubble in my ballot, hand it over to the poll worker and watch it get scanned and counted in real time. As far as I know, MA does not have long lines and long delays to vote.

The machines in Texas are only a problem is areas that are overwhelmingly democratic. Apparently there is not enough funding to have lots of them in the inner city, but there were plenty of them in my fairly wealthy suburban county* and I imagine there were no long lines in rural districts. It looks like an intentional effort to suppress minority voting, but more likely poor people just aren't good at following instructions.


*I went mid-morning and had no line. My wife went after work and only had 45 minute wait.

 

[Mumbles]

The machines in Texas are only a problem is areas that are overwhelmingly democratic. Apparently there is not enough funding to have lots of them in the inner city, but there were plenty of them in my fairly wealthy suburban county* and I imagine there were no long lines in rural districts. It looks like an intentional effort to suppress minority voting, but more likely poor people just aren't good at following instructions.


*I went mid-morning and had no line. My wife went after work and only had 45 minute wait.

States like Texas have also closed hundreds of polling locations in black and Hispanic districts, even as their populations swell. It's very clearly deliberate. The Roberts Supreme Court has proven to be a disaster for civil rights - this ties to their gutting the Voting Rights Act, and the states that were covered promptly showing exactly why they continued to be covered under the act (States could get out of Federal preclearance by simply going 10 years without attempting to suppress minority voters - the fact that several states could not pass this test was a rather obvious hint at what would happen)

Not that this should surprise anyone - Roberts himself first rose to prominence by attempting to find a way to overturn the VRA while in the Justice Department under Ronald Reagan.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Tulsi got one delegate from American Samoa!
She is clearly gathering momentum!

 

[d4m10n]

Interesting spin from the Sanders campaign on a bit of MSNBC reporting:

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1234982800484290560

https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1235087826720456704

 

[d4m10n]

In a likely futile effort to retrack the convo, what website do you guys have bookmarked for pledged delegate estimates?

 

[dudalb]

In a likely futile effort to retrack the convo, what website do you guys have bookmarked for pledged delegate estimates?

I think Biden has a couple dozen more delegares then the official count; I think the Mayor Pete and Kloblucher delaates are pretty much in his pocket.

 

[Garrison]

I think Biden has a couple dozen more delegares then the official count; I think the Mayor Pete and Kloblucher delaates are pretty much in his pocket.

Bloomberg has dropped out, though what impact that has is debatable since his campaign made so little impact to begin with.

 

[d4m10n]

I think Biden has a couple dozen more delegares then the official count...

I don't believe there is an official (DNC) count yet, but I've been using the NPR page. I think the AP has slightly different numbers and cannot tell why.

 

[Suddenly]

Bloomberg has dropped out, though what impact that has is debatable since his campaign made so little impact to begin with.

Huge IMO. He was the shiny object that distracted people from really going after Biden until Biden got to the south.

When Biden was floundering but still one of the favorites, the other candidates spent so much time poleaxing Bloomberg that Biden mostly got a pass. Especially in Nevada before Sanders became the front runner.

Imagine the last two debates and the campaign surrounding them without Bloomberg and with everybody on the stage having a keen interest in finishing off Biden.

 

[dudalb]

Bloomberg has dropped out, though what impact that has is debatable since his campaign made so little impact to begin with.

He manges to snare around 40 deleagres, though, and they will now pretty much go to Biden.Not to mention he will probably be writing a few checks for Biden.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Maine has officially went to Biden.

California, as it traditional, is taking forever to count. I believe both California and Florida have it both written into their state constitutions that all elections held within their borders make take all the time ever.