Democratic caucuses and primaries

theprestige said:
Not all totalitarians are fascist totalitarians. I don't judge.
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I'll take a lager with that label soup.

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SuburbanTurkey said:
I don't really understand the point of your question.
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Which question?

SuburbanTurkey said:
Somewhere along the line between being an idealist young person in a dead-end third party and a successful politician, Bernie's view became more nuanced and pragmatic.
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That's fine. Can he explain why it's okay for private individuals to own the major means of production now? If not, he's gonna scare off centrists with 401k savings.

SuburbanTurkey said:
In the world of political hypocrites and flip-floppers, this slight shift seems pretty insignificant.
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Collectivization of the means of production was by no means a slight shift, when implemented in practice.
 
d4m10n said:
Which question?



That's fine. Can he explain why it's okay for private individuals to own the major means of production now? If not, he's gonna scare off centrists with 401k savings.



Collectivization of the means of production was by no means a slight shift, when implemented in practice.
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His current proposals involve workers having representation on boards and eventually 20% employee ownership of large companies.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/corporate-accountability-and-democracy/
 
Belz... said:
You were doing so well with the first part, and then you had to get personal for some reason.

I'm not being pedantic. It's the way I understood your post initially, and then sought to correct it.
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It's pretty obvious what I meant, honestly. And this isn't the first time you've misinterpreted my words when the intended meaning is quite clear.
 
Cabbage said:
It's pretty obvious what I meant, honestly.
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Everybody thinks their own words are obvious and clear. You'll forgive me if I don't take your own evaluations as authoritative.

And this isn't the first time you've misinterpreted my words when the intended meaning is quite clear.
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Have you considered the possibly that you might not communicate your thoughts clearly? Why assume that I'm the guilty party, here?
 
Segnosaur said:
Re: Sanders once suggesting the U.S. "nationalize" certain industries...



The problem is, the point of view that he used to have is so far outside the political mainstream (and far beyond what the electorate will accept) that it could be damaging, even if he denounces his past policies.



And Sanders is doing himself no favors with his current policies and rhetoric... Medicare for All (i.e. government control of health care), and "Castro ain't so bad... people learned to read good" statements can be used as ammunition if people want to suggest his "nationalize everything" plans are still a goal of his.
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Oh, please.

It's not Sanders today dredging up every quote Sanders ever made.

It's absurd how easily some are lead into that mistake.

But we still won't talk about what a predictable result Castro was given the U.S. backed plantations with a few casinos Batista's wonderous and benevolent rule was.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Oh, please.

It's not Sanders today dredging up every quote Sanders ever made.

It's absurd how easily some are lead into that mistake.

But we still won't talk about what a predictable result Castro was given the U.S. backed plantations with a few casinos Batista's wonderous and benevolent rule was.
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To me, the dumbest thing is how Sanders gets ripped because he says that while the authoritarianism of Cuba is bad, there have been some things that worked.

Meanwhile, Trump brags about how great the authoritarian leaders are, and how he wishes he could be like that.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Oh, please.

It's not Sanders today dredging up every quote Sanders ever made.
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Asking candidates about stuff they've said seems reasonable.

It's absurd how easily some are lead into that mistake.
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The mistake of asking candidates what they meant and if they still mean it?

But we still won't talk about what a predictable result Castro was given the U.S. backed plantations with a few casinos Batista's wonderous and benevolent rule was.
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If any of the current candidates are on record with Batista apologetics, I certainly hope people will dredge up every quote they ever made on the subject, and take them to task for it.
 
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pgwenthold said:
To me, the dumbest thing is how Sanders gets ripped because he says that while the authoritarianism of Cuba is bad, there have been some things that worked.

Meanwhile, Trump brags about how great the authoritarian leaders are, and how he wishes he could be like that.
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"Trump is worst" is true of literally every particle in the universe that isn't part of Donald Trump, no one other candidate gets credit for it.

"Better the Donald Trump" is a movie poster who's tag line is "This movie is in English and the Actors are Plainly Visible On Screen"
 
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Belz... said:
Everybody thinks their own words are obvious and clear. You'll forgive me if I don't take your own evaluations as authoritative.



Have you considered the possibly that you might not communicate your thoughts clearly? Why assume that I'm the guilty party, here?
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In a thread where for literally weeks we have been discussing concern over Sanders electability issues against Trump I choose to make a comment about said fear of a Sanders nomination, deciding it would be redundant to once again remind everyone precisely why people fear a Sanders nomination.

Don't blame me if you haven't been following the discussion up to this point. Do you also chastise people when they warn against playing with fire? "Oh, but you didn't specify why they shouldn't play with fire!"

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Okay so we're maybe halfway into the Super Tues results and I'm thinking tossup.

Anyone else?
 
Biden winning all the states that won't go Democratic in the general (except Virginia.) Bernie winning Texas is huge. Liz is gonna have some thinkin to do.
 
grunion said:
Biden winning all the states that won't go Democratic in the general (except Virginia.) Bernie winning Texas is huge. Liz is gonna have some thinkin to do.
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Not sure Bernie has won TX yet. Not much had come back from the more rural counties.

Edit: also you left out Minnesota. Biden is well ahead in a likely blue state. Edit2: also Maine.
 
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I think Bernie is likely to take Texas, but the numbers from Houston aren't in yet. It's still anyone's race.
 
d4m10n said:
Okay so we're maybe halfway into the Super Tues results and I'm thinking tossup.

Anyone else?
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Super Tuesday did what it was supposed to do. It narrowed the field to two candidates.

Bloomberg and Warren should drop out now. If they don't, it's still a two-person contest anyway.
 
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