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Didn't they just send everyone back to work? We should be seeing a giant spike there soon. Also what about the other provinces? With the number of beds the atheist suggested we'll need this sounds extremely fishy and/or irresponsible
Yes, factories reopening now.

https://wamu.org/story/20/03/02/as-new-coronavirus-cases-slow-in-china-factories-start-reopening/


I hope this is not premature, American businesses need those factories, despite all our bitching about work being sent there.
 
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Seems to me USA decided the simplest method is to just not test for it to keep the numbers down.
Seems to me you don't know what you are talking about.

Here is the more accurate recipe for the disaster we now have:

Step #1 Trump led government cuts funding to CDC used for pandemic preparedness

Step #2 CDC belatedly revs up producing testing kits, but then to make things worse some kind of contamination occurred delaying test production.

Step #3 As CDC is wont to do, they published guidelines for using tests in limited supply, directing clinics to only test people seriously ill or ill and who had a potential exposure history such as international travel.

Step #4 Some drop the ball as I have found time and time again in the medical field when it comes to infectious disease: they treated untested people as not having the infection. Figuring I suppose, that only people with known exposure history were likely to have the infection, instead of considering that maybe, just maybe, the virus had leaked out and was circulating unnoticed in the community.

Step #5 People with severe disease get tested because some doctors use better judgement and test people with no exposure history. It reveals there is virus circulating.

Step #6 About this time the virus is really taking off in other countries where low and behold, there have been no travel restrictions or precautions for arrivals.
 
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The testing chokepoint may have been HHS Secretary Alex Azar, who didn't want to offend Trump and doesn't trust his subordinates.

I'm not sure what you mean, are you suggesting he stopped CDC from producing test kits?

Regardless, the lot of them trying to please Trump simply imagined there were very few cases and Dear Leader stopped the epidemic here by blocking Chinese nationals from coming to the US. Conceited ignorance, the best conceited ignorance, probably the best conceited ignorance there ever was in the world.
Trump did, apparently, tell one of the CDC or NIH officials not to repeat the obvious that it was when not if. That lasted all of a day.
 
Fortunately I have half of them left (plenty for me) I was going to send to someone else but the fires went out before I did.

Just remember not to touch the outside of the mask after you've worn it. This takes some practice. I'm letting mine sit on top of the radiator before using that one again. Heat kills the virus, freezing does not.

I wonder if there's going to be a market for "designer" masks, or simply individualized ones. I'll assume that any graphics would be created before the mask is ever worn. I thinking of Chris Pine's mask in Carriers (another virus movie he made the same year as his first Star Trek). I'm sure we'd be seeing plenty of Bane and Mad Max styles.
 
Or you could spray it with hypochlorous acid, no?
You can use bleach, 10% solution, mixed fresh daily because the chlorine evaporates out diluting the solution.**

But it might not work with all masks. Test it on one. Bleach can destroy the straps, and water itself might make the material clump up and no longer be an efficient filter.

Alcohol might be a better choice. Pour some in a very shallow pan and coat the mask the way we ice donuts in a donut shop. Or you could put it in a spray bottle, be sure to get the whole mask surface wet. Then let it air dry.


** Both these methods, and even heating on the radiator are untested, unproven means. Theoretically they should work.
 
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A mask can stop you touching your face with contaminated hands and fingers, and it can prevent you spreading whatever virus you happen to have through coughing and sneezing. It won't stop you from inhaling airborne virus particles, but that's not how most viruses spread anyway.

I don't touch my face when I'm outside, and I guess nobody is wearing mask inside.

Masks are good so you don't spread possible latent infection. Also when you are taking care of infected person, the infected person should wear mask, not you.

The virus cannot exist in air by itself. It is only spread through droplets. You you are wearing the mask, and it's moist from you breathing, if such droplets land on the mask, it's the same as if you didn't have any mask. Some suggest it's even worse.
But if the mask stops most of droplets the other person coughs out, it has major effect (though it's not perfect).

Respirators is another thing, they can have some effect, based on their class. They have different construction, typically have exhale valve, and much better fit. Some of them can look quite like simple masks. Also they have to be used with goggles, as eyes are just as good entry point.

Think about it. What kind of doctor wears mask ? Surgeon. It's not for his protection. He doesn't want to infect the patient.
What do wear doctors treating infected people ? Full body suit, respirators and goggles.

In Japan, wearing mask in public is not mark of you being paranoid, but mark of good manners. It says 'I don't know if I'm infected, but for your safety, I'm wearing this mask'. Usually it's done if you go to work with minor cold, but it works just as well with coronavirus.

Coughing into your handkerchief work in similar way. But can you pull one in time ?

And of course, if everybody is wearing the mask, based on panic or not, it does help. People with masks spread less. That's very unlikely in western society though.
 
I thought the masks weren't supposed to be able to do anything

I posted about this upthread.

They offer some protection, not perfect.

You have to know the limitations and how to handle the masks.

Adding to my above post, these are not supposed to be disinfected because there is no tested method of disinfection.
 
A mask can stop you touching your face with contaminated hands and fingers, and it can prevent you spreading whatever virus you happen to have through coughing and sneezing. It won't stop you from inhaling airborne virus particles, but that's not how most viruses spread anyway.
It stops some droplets. You also need eye protection.

It's easier for the public announcement to say not to use them for protection than it is to teach people how to properly use them.
 
I wonder if there's going to be a market for "designer" masks, or simply individualized ones. I'll assume that any graphics would be created before the mask is ever worn. I thinking of Chris Pine's mask in Carriers (another virus movie he made the same year as his first Star Trek). I'm sure we'd be seeing plenty of Bane and Mad Max styles.

There already are designer masks, not all of which are actually approved for medical use.
 
Can you translate that?
Are you really so unsure of how bad this POTUS is? :rolleyes:

This is from WA Po, I can't link because I'm on anonymous view. Here is the search return so you can find it on your own.
Inside Trump's frantic attempts to minimize the coronavirus crisis ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...bc882a-5b25-11ea-9b35-def5a027d470_story.html


[Trump] grew frustrated as he watched the markets plummet and was particularly fixated on Nancy Messonnier, the director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, who in a briefing Tuesday warned that the virus’s spread to the United States was no longer a question of “if” but “exactly when this will happen.”...

It was on his way back from India.
By the time he landed at Joint Base Andrews, Trump was already furious over what he considered an alarmist response by his administration and also thought he was being treated unfairly by the media. He was eager to inject his own voice into the unfolding drama and scheduled the White House news conference for Wednesday evening.
Trump supposedly had words with Messonnier that day.

That's when Trump put Pence in charge of censoring CDC messages. Of course they don't use the word, censor.

Now of course Fauci is using the 'when not if' language.
 
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Medical professionals drop the ball like they always do, but somehow this time their **** up is Trump's fault?
What's with cherry picking out this minus the part Trump played before and at the beginning of the pandemic. :rolleyes: :mad:

Read the WA Po article in the above post if you want to see a disaster in the making.

I hope you understand how this admission undermines trust in medical professionals.
"This admission"? Should I hide that experience I've had? :rolleyes:

I changed "everyone" to "some".
 
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Here is the more accurate recipe for the disaster we now have:

I was being facetious, because the end result is the same - many infected people not being counted through not being tested.
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Meanwhile, as well as the Israeli company saying it's on it, so are lots of American companies, so they claim:

The manufacturers said they hope to have antiviral treatments ready within months and vaccines by next year. Gilead Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Daniel O’Day told Trump his company may test a promising antiviral in Washington state.

Whichever way you look at it, making people pay for tests is insane:

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced a directive requiring New York health insurers to waive cost-sharing associated with virus test.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/worl...date/ar-BB10EE3R?li=AAgfIYZ&%25252525253Bocid

I'm seeing a lot less criticism of USA's response than China's. I am surprised.

All the experts seem to be in agreement we have a pandemic.

Except WHO, which hasn't declared it yet.
 
I'm seeing a lot less criticism of USA's response than China's. I am surprised.

I am seeing quite a lot of criticism of USA's response, particularly of Donald Trump and Mike Pence's response.

There's been quite a lot of criticism of Japan's response as well.

And yes, there has been a lot of criticism of China's response, and rightly so given the treatment of the whistleblower doctors, the arrest of journalists and the heavy handed way in which many of its citizens have been treated.
 
The reason the number of deaths is so high here is because the virus outbreak occurred in a nursing home full of very high risk people. There are many more there with symptoms and tests not back yet. You can expect the number of dead here to be very high in the next week or two.


We already know the outbreak here didn't come out of the blue. It's been traced to the very first case and is estimated to have been circulating for about 6 weeks. The estimate is ~500 are infected.

Sounds about right. Consistent with a approx. 6 day average incubation and R0:3
 
I am seeing quite a lot of criticism of USA's response, particularly of Donald Trump and Mike Pence's response.

I was more aiming that at posters in this thread who have gone out of their way to bollock China but haven't come and done the same to Trump & USA.
 
I was more aiming that at posters in this thread who have gone out of their way to bollock China but haven't come and done the same to Trump & USA.

When trump and pence send police after doctors for talking you'll see a lot more

When trump and pence start welding people into their houses you'll see a 2nd amendment fueled correction
 
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