Merged 2019-nCoV / Corona virus

[Skeptic Ginger]

Yeah, but let's say you are stuck in your home for a month, and you run out of bogroll....

What are you going to do?

Just in case you have some ideas, that was rhetorical. You don't need to tell me.

But I can confirm that shelves are empty here of toilet roll.

You use a washcloth and wash it afterword. It's really not that complicated.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Finally, a use for those goddam bidets.

We have three of them here in Don Towers.

Bidets are germ spreaders. Next time you use one, think about it. The 'ahem' material that washes off one person is deposited on the water nozzle only to be sprayed up to the next person's bum.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It seems at least some people are NOT immune from reinfection

https://apple.news/AEa2W19goTKyeMnZr1BMbdA

That is relapse, not reinfection, though your link has a good discussion of all sorts of hypothetical explanations, none of which there is actual evidence of given we don't have any widely used antibody tests yet. From your link:

Lei Xuezhong, the deputy director of the infectious diseases center at the West China Hospital, told People’s Daily that hospitals were testing nose and throat samples when deciding whether patients should be discharged, but new tests were finding the virus in the lower respiratory tract.

Despite this also from your link, there's nothing to base this on given the available tests.

Allen Cheng, professor of infectious diseases epidemiology at Monash University in Melbourne, said it wasn’t clear whether the patients were re-infected or had remained “persistently positive” after their symptoms disappeared. But he said the details of the Japan case suggested the patient had been reinfected.

And this is true with dengue virus but there's no evidence people are getting a more serious second bout of disease:

Other experts have also raised the possibility of “antibody-dependent enhancement”, which means exposure to viruses might make patients more at risk of further infections and worse symptoms.

It has implications though that persons deemed well might still be shedding virus and be contagious.

I looked into this:

I found one report (still from a news report) that a Dr Li QinGyuan was seeing the return of positive tests in people previously cleared. There was no mention of relapsing disease.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...00-deaths-can-you-get-virus-again/4804905002/

Li QinGyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at China Japan Friendship Hospital in Beijing, said a protective antibody is generated in those who are infected.

"However, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long," Li said. "For many patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of relapse."

Li urged patients who have recovered from COVID-19 to be vigilant in their hygiene, such as washing their hands often.

In another report which I cannot read all of:
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-0...uangdong-tested-positive-again-101520415.html

14% of Recovered Covid-19 Patients in Guangdong Tested Positive Again

This version in Chinese that can be translated is an accessible version.
http://china.caixin.com/2020-02-28/101521885.html

Antibody production isn't likely to be being tested given how new that testing is:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...se-antibody-test-track-coronavirus-infections
Singapore claims first use of antibody test to track coronavirus infections

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html

Serology Test for COVID-19
CDC is working to develop a new laboratory test to assist with efforts to determine how much of the U.S. population has been exposed to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes COVID-19.

The serology test will look for the presence of antibodies, which are specific proteins made in response to infections. Antibodies can be found in the blood and in other tissues of those who are tested after infection. The antibodies detected by this test indicate that a person had an immune response to SARS-CoV-2, whether symptoms developed from infection or the infection was asymptomatic. Antibody test results are important in detecting infections with few or no symptoms.

Initial work to develop a serology test for SARS-CoV-2 is underway at CDC.

What it appears is that they are using the PCR antigen testing that looks for the virus, not the antibodies. Those tests are using multiple serum samples from blood to saliva to feces. Without knowing how they determined the virus was clear and how it was found again we don't really know what is going on here.

Lancet has recently reported on research on serial testing of viral loads to track what happens with infected people.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/...0)30113-4/fulltext?dgcid=raven_jbs_etoc_email
Sample sizes are small. Virus was found as much as 15 days after it was first detected. If you look at the graph for patient #2 their viral load went up and down before it cleared.

I don't think any of this suggests failed immune response, rather it looks more like people continue to test positive for virus after recovery. This is not unusual. For some viral pathogens it's common that they remain contagious after the symptoms resolve.

It's going to take more time before this is sorted out.

 

[a_unique_person]

World in fact does run on toilet paper.

Half the world.

 

[a_unique_person]

Bidets are germ spreaders. Next time you use one, think about it. The 'ahem' material that washes off one person is deposited on the water nozzle only to be sprayed up to the next person's bum.

I thought it was made clear that the question was rhetorical and no answer was required?

 

[JeanTate]

Did I read correctly? The new US coronavirus czar/tsar (Pence) wants all government agencies etc to clear any and all public communications through him? First?

And Mnuchin stated that the market response, to the latest coronavirus news, is just a Democrat/fake news media coordinated attempt to bring his boss down?

Didn't one of Trump's flunkies ream Xi a new one for doing that sort of thing?

 

[dudalb]

I think that new TV Miniseries of Stephan King's "The Stand" scheduled to be aired this fall, might be indefinently postponed...….

BTW quite a few people have nicknamed the virus "Captain Trips".

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

However, I'm prepared..

I clicked on your link and today eBay emailed me about the item being available.

 

[Armitage72]

Dogs can catch some strains of coronavirus, I believe in the GI tract.

The company I work for makes several disinfectants that are labeled for use in animal housing, either in a farm or laboratory environment. Canine coronavirus is on the list of target organisms. It's a disease of the small intestine, spread through feces. It's generally only fatal if there's a parvovirus infection at the same time, since it increases susceptibility to parvo.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I thought it was made clear that the question was rhetorical and no answer was required?

I thought the answer was sarcastic, yes. But I thought it a good time to point out the problem with bidets that few people seem to notice.

 

[The Atheist]

One of these words is spelled wrong.

Nope.

Sometimes people will troll a survey. It could be funny to answer that you think Corona beer causes the virus.

Sales figures don't troll: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/27/ab-...ts-first-quarter-profit-from-coronavirus.html

I agree people should ensure now they have enough loo paper now to last for the rest of the year. If nothing happens then you have only bought something you will use anyway. If this turns into something serious then you are ok. If you run out of loo paper then you are in serious trouble.

Pretty well all of that is nonsense, aside from being able to use it anyway.

But a lot of people think it's true that toilet paper is indispensable - supermarkets in NZ sold out all over the place yesterday when we have one case of Covid-19 in the country.

Did I read correctly? The new US coronavirus czar/tsar (Pence) wants all government agencies etc to clear any and all public communications through him? First?

Yes indeed. He's much more sensible than the actual scientists involved, so of course he should.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The CA woman with unknown source COVID 19 lives in the town where the quarantined patients arrived at the Air Force base where the whistleblower said people receiving the patient did not have proper training or protective gear and the top Trump people denied it in the Congressional hearing.

 

[JeanTate]

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Yes indeed. He's much more sensible than the actual scientists involved, so of course he should.

Didn’t I also read that Pence was the dude in charge, in Indiana, while the worst HIV/AIDS outbreak in the US, in a bazillion years, raged? And that his favored approach was to pray?

Does this mean that if I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I can avoid Covid-19 (but not HIV/AIDS)?

 

[JeanTate]

The CA woman with unknown source COVID 19 lives in the town where the quarantined patients arrived at the Air Force base where the whistleblower said people receiving the patient did not have proper training or protective gear and the top Trump people denied it in the Congressional hearing.

Of course he and his flunkies did!

It’s so obviously fake news, planted by the Democrats/Xi Jinping/Angela Merkel, in order to discredit the outstanding job Trump is doing in ending racism and promoting golf tourism to Scotland.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Didn’t I also read that Pence was the dude in charge, in Indiana, while the worst HIV/AIDS outbreak in the US, in a bazillion years, raged? And that his favored approach was to pray?

Does this mean that if I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I can avoid Covid-19 (but not HIV/AIDS)?

Yes, yes and no, in that order.

 

[Armitage72]

Didn’t I also read that Pence was the dude in charge, in Indiana, while the worst HIV/AIDS outbreak in the US, in a bazillion years, raged? And that his favored approach was to pray?

I don't know about prayer, but he was opposed to allowing needle exchange programs.

 

[Trebuchet]

Didn’t I also read that Pence was the dude in charge, in Indiana, while the worst HIV/AIDS outbreak in the US, in a bazillion years, raged? And that his favored approach was to pray?

Does this mean that if I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I can avoid Covid-19 (but not HIV/AIDS)?

Not just praying, he also actively prevented implementation of needle exchanges. People have probably died because of that.

 

[marting]

Does this mean that if I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I can avoid Covid-19 ?

Sure. If you're out in public people will keep more distance from you. FGM works! Hail FGM.

 

[alfaniner]

Sometimes people will troll a survey. It could be funny to answer that you think Corona beer causes the virus. It injects comedy into the public sphere because you know the results will be published.

It's anonymous and nobody is there to call you an idiot. It's called trolling.

When the White House Chief of Staff suggests one solution to the concern about Covid-19 and the market is to turn off your TV for 24 hours, there is nothing so stupid that can be said that can't be assumed to be a person's belief.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Speaking of lalalalalalala I can't hear you:
Federal health workers responding to coronavirus lacked training and protective gear, whistleblower alleges

Federal health employees interacted with Americans quarantined for possible exposure to the coronavirus without proper medical training or protective gear, then scattered into the general population, according to a government whistleblower.

In a portion of a complaint filing obtained by The New York Times that has been submitted to the Office of the Special Counsel, the whistleblower, described as a senior leader at the health agency, said the team was “improperly deployed” to two military bases in California to assist the processing of Americans who had been evacuated from coronavirus hot zones in China and elsewhere.

The staff members were sent to Travis Air Force Base and March Air Reserve Base and were ordered to enter quarantined areas, including a hangar where coronavirus evacuees were being received. They were not provided training in safety protocols until five days later, the person said.

Without proper training or equipment, some of the exposed staff members moved freely around and off the bases, with at least one person staying in a nearby hotel and leaving California on a commercial flight. Many were unaware of the need to test their temperature three times a day.

“I soon began to field panicked calls from my leadership team and deployed staff members expressing concerns with the lack of HHS communication and coordination, staff being sent into quarantined areas without personal protective equipment, training or experience in managing public health emergencies, safety protocols and the potential danger to both themselves and members of the public they come into contact with,” the whistleblower wrote.

Of course in line with denying what the whistleblower exposed:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/27/health/us-cases-coronavirus-community-transmission/index.html

(CNN)After a US patient contracted novel coronavirus and left medical authorities no clues as to where it came from, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has begun sending out new testing guidance to health care workers, the top CDC official said Thursday....

The person has no connection to Travis Air Force Base, which is in the county and has seen several repatriation flights from China.

Not a clue, no sir, nothing to see here, move along.