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Woman with no recent history of travel outside of the country contracts the disease.

The hospital is “meticulously tracing” anyone who may have come into contact with the woman there, and monitoring scores of dozens of staff members who may have been exposed, Brewer said in a statement. She added that any staff who had direct contact with the patient have been tested for the virus and are now on paid leave, tracking their health at home. So far, there have been no positive tests, she said.
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Props to these busy men and women.
 
Venom said:
I wish we could say if you're sick, stay home, but when big businesses want maximum production as long as you aren't on your deathbed it'll be tough to contain such a non-fatal disease.
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Nice ,trendy, "All Businesses Are Evil" rhetoric?
 
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The Atheist said:
If people aren't going to work or school, the possibility of infecting others is vastly reduced. This is what happened in China.
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That depends on what they do instead: Do they stay at home? Do they go to the mall? Or to the movies?
 
dudalb said:
Nice ,trendy, "All Businesses Are Evil" rhetoric?
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Why do you turn a description of a fairly typical attitude of employers to employees into your "all businesses are evil" rhetoric, dudalb? What do you think that you have accomplished by doing that?
 
dann said:
That depends on what they do instead: Do they stay at home? Do they go to the mall? Or to the movies?
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Most if not all exposed health care workers are smart enough to stay home. The hard part will be deciding what to do about other family members.

Kudos to the hospital for putting them on paid leave.
 
I haven't seen any "prepper" stories yet, but I'm sure I will.

This all kind of reminds me of the leadup to Y2K. It was all the preparation beforehand that led up to pretty much a big "nothing" as far as global crisis goes. But that was all targeted for one specific date. I know that people complained afterwards -- "Why did we spend so much money on it? Nothing happened!" Well, it was the money spent and the effort involved that did much to prevent the catastrophe.

The more prevention and precaution we take now, the better.
 
theprestige said:
As far as I can tell, most healthcare workers are just as likely to be inconsiderate douchebags as anyone else in society.
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Would that be in some red corner of the US? Someplace where they all go to church and rely on thoughts and prayers? :rolleyes:

Pretty sure I know more health care workers than you do. Your assumptions are wrong.
 
alfaniner said:
I haven't seen any "prepper" stories yet, but I'm sure I will.

This all kind of reminds me of the leadup to Y2K. It was all the preparation beforehand that led up to pretty much a big "nothing" as far as global crisis goes. But that was all targeted for one specific date. I know that people complained afterwards -- "Why did we spend so much money on it? Nothing happened!" Well, it was the money spent and the effort involved that did much to prevent the catastrophe.

The more prevention and precaution we take now, the better.
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My sister suggested stocking up on canned goods and soap, paper, etc.

I don't think such measures are necessary. She's in health service management. Still, I'm wary of her judgement because she frequently dabbles in pseudoscience and pseudomedicine.

I guess she went through a much less rigorous program than actual medical school.
 
Venom said:
My sister suggested stocking up on canned goods and soap, paper, etc.

I don't think such measures are necessary. She's in health service management. Still, I'm wary of her judgement because she frequently dabbles in pseudoscience and pseudomedicine.

I guess she went through a much less rigorous program than actual medical school.
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Like planning for an earthquake where you need to have about 3 days of supplies, plan for the stores to close, plan for various versions of quarantine.

The hard part is judging how much to stock up on because it could be short or long or not materialize.

I've been buying extra stuff with every trip to the store.
 
Meadmaker said:
Today's sitrep from WHO isn't pretty. 700 new cases outside China, including 9 new countries.

I thought we were doing so well.
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In a world with between 7 and 8 billion people full of airplanes and boats maybe that is doing well.
 
portlandatheist said:
I think this must be the first time new cases outside China were more than new cases inside China. Yikes!
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It is, and a LOT more than China. In fact, there were more than twice as many in South Korea than China.

dann said:
That depends on what they do instead: Do they stay at home? Do they go to the mall? Or to the movies?
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In sensible countries, where people have regard for others, they stay at home.

In the land of the free, probably not.
 
There seems to be quite a bit of negative reaction to the shutting of schools in Japan.

Partly it is down to the implementation, when the government went from saying it wasn't necessary, to telling school boards they might want to think about, to abruptly closing all schools at around five o'clock on a Thursday, apparently without the PM talking to the Ministry of Education first, or getting much of an idea about the disruption this will cause.

But our friend who went aboard the Diamond Princess also weighed in...

Kentaro Iwata, an infectious-disease specialist at Kobe University who had criticized the government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak on the Diamond Princess, said school closings were not medically warranted.

“I don’t understand this,” Dr. Iwata said. “Primarily, children are not easily infected with coronavirus, and even if they are infected, they don’t easily fall seriously ill.”
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There are some suggestions that the Olympics is a concern for Abe:

“The Olympics have cast a shadow over the government’s response this whole time,” said Tobias Harris, an expert on Japanese politics at Teneo Intelligence in Washington.

“Early on, the response was a little timid and reactive for fear of alienating international visitors,” he said, “and now they’re belatedly realizing that unless they can somehow stop this or contain it that the chances of cancellation seem to be growing by the day.”
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Some parents are against it:

“As someone who grew up in a single-parent family, I hope the government and companies will take relief measures or compensate single parents, two-income families and other families who might face difficulties due to their jobs,” one commenter wrote on Twitter. “I’m about to puke just thinking about it.”
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Then again, maybe as I mentioned before, the true numbers of people with the virus could be hidden by the small number of tests that have been performed:

While shutting schools when the case tally in Japan is still not much more than 200 struck some as an overreaction, experts have noted that the country’s somewhat restrained response to the virus so far has meant that it has not yet tested many people. The true number of coronavirus cases in Japan could be much higher.

“Managing a crisis and developing sound policies depends on knowing the scale of the problem,” said Jeff Kingston, the director of Asian studies at Temple University in Tokyo. “This is more like how authoritarian regimes handle problems, so Abe is still failing this test of his leadership.”
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On 23 February, I posted:

The Atheist said:
I can see cases springing up all over the place this coming week, and by the end of it, I'd say we will have a WHO-stated pandemic under way and the number of known cases outside China will be up by at least 300% on the total I'm seeing right now, of 1600.
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Five days later, that total is 4600, just shy of 300%.

But no pandemic declared yet.
 
angrysoba said:
There seems to be quite a bit of negative reaction to the shutting of schools in Japan.

“Primarily, children are not easily infected with coronavirus, and even if they are infected, they don’t easily fall seriously ill.”
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More pertinently, they may still be able to carry & spread it. Without counting that out, closing them seems quite sensible.

The rate of increase suggests it's not hard to catch.
 
eeyore1954 said:
Saying health care workers are the same as other humans is not attacking them.
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There are times that is valid and other times when it is something specific to the health care field, and something they are no doubt hearing about every day, then no, in this case they aren't the same in this specific thing.

And it was clearly worded to be an uncalled for (we have no evidence it was true) insult.
 
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