Will Trump See Covid-19 as an Opportunity?

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I'm not afraid of it at all. I've never expressed fear once in this thread.

Mead and you have gone out of your way to say "don't believe what you hear, believe me when I interpret what he actually means"

But this isn't even ultimately a question of what he means. It's a question of what he will do. And you're claiming he may do something incredibly extreme. But it's incredible in the sense that it's not credible. It's not gonna happen.

Of course it will fail. I honestly haven't seen people denying that but I've seen a great many say that it wouldn't be out of Trump's norm to see him try.

But it is out of Trump's norm to try something like a coup. Way outside his norm. I mean, FFS, look how long it took him to get rid of Comey and Sessions.

Only you and and Mead seem to repetitiously claim that he wouldn't act in that fashion (well, maybe theprestige is mixed in there somewhere too), which would be in contrast to his entire presidency.

You have that backwards. What you're claiming is what would be in contrast to his entire presidency. You can only believe otherwise if you take the anti-Trump hyperbole as if it was literally true, but it never has been. You don't like how Trump has used his executive power, but he's done basically nothing to expand it.

The burden of evidence is on you guys

Backwards again. You're making an extraordinary claim. That requires extraordinary evidence. And the evidence you've got so far is just plain weak.
 
It's weird that you keep trying to map normal human behavior onto Trump.

So this is all just a giant special pleading. Got it.

The funny thing is, when his presidency is over, a lot of people here are going to act like doomsday cultists when the predicted apocalypse date passes without fanfare. They'll conclude that it was their brave resistance that prevented Trump from doing all the terrible things they predicted he would do.
 
But this isn't even ultimately a question of what he means. It's a question of what he will do. And you're claiming he may do something incredibly extreme. But it's incredible in the sense that it's not credible. It's not gonna happen.

You've made this claim but the evidence is still in contrast to what you're saying. He does extreme **** all of the time. Saying SCOTUS members should recuse themselves, claiming bias from judges because of their heritage, degrading jurors, and using his political office for any ******* reason he wants. That's extreme behavior, you just don't care, but sadly that doesn't change the facts.

But it is out of Trump's norm to try something like a coup. Way outside his norm. I mean, FFS, look how long it took him to get rid of Comey and Sessions.

No, it's not. He purposefully, and willfully went to another country to request an investigation knowing that it would sway the electoral process by creating a bias against Biden in international news. Who gives a flying **** how long it took him to get rid of Comey and Sessions? They didn't do anything wrong. Why even bother mentioning them? :confused:

You have that backwards.

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What you're claiming is what would be in contrast to his entire presidency. You can only believe otherwise if you take the anti-Trump hyperbole as if it was literally true, but it never has been. You don't like how Trump has used his executive power, but he's done basically nothing to expand it.

The hell he hasn't. He's using the AG as his personal prosecution and propaganda machine. The ******* Federal Judges are calling a special meeting because of it. Something that hasn't been done because of POTUS interference in cases ever. Continue to make excuses, but don't just make random **** up. He expands his executive power and influence every possible chance he gets. You might say he hasn't created himself any new powers, but he's using his current power in ways that no other POTUS has, and not for good. I'm sure you're going to try and say "I said expand, you're admitting he didn't expand, the powers have been there." Yes, you're technically right, have a cookie. The phrase, "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should" exists for a reason.

ETA: I realized this phrase was tough to follow. The central point is, he has expanded his powers by using them in ways no other POTUS has ever used them before. While he might have granted himself new powers, in my opinion he's expanding them via testing the limits of what he can do it on several fronts (immigration being at the top).

Backwards again. You're making an extraordinary claim. That requires extraordinary evidence. And the evidence you've got so far is just plain weak.

No, I'm not. You're gutter dwelling excuses for his behavior are the only weak aspect of our conversation. Your perpetual excuse making, and denial of Trump's behavior is what's just plain weak. Your dismissal of his behavior is what's just plain weak.

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So this is all just a giant special pleading. Got it.

The funny thing is, when his presidency is over, a lot of people here are going to act like doomsday cultists when the predicted apocalypse date passes without fanfare. They'll conclude that it was their brave resistance that prevented Trump from doing all the terrible things they predicted he would do.

I've never actually claimed he would do it. I've only claimed that it wouldn't be out of his norm, or strange for him to try it.
 
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So this is all just a giant special pleading. Got it.

How is it "special pleading" to attempt to predict a person's behavior based on their past behavior?

The funny thing is, when his presidency is over, a lot of people here are going to act like doomsday cultists when the predicted apocalypse date passes without fanfare. They'll conclude that it was their brave resistance that prevented Trump from doing all the terrible things they predicted he would do.

Cool. But could we just stick to the arguments actually being made here?
 
As things now stand, it seems more likely that the outbreak will cost Trump the Presidency.

Americans might be happy to see Chaos in Washington ... but not when they need their government to protect them.


Yup. This is the one thing Donald Trump isn't going to be able to lie his way out of.

He and his appointed minions are already looking like uninformed idiots from the press conference last night.
 
You've made this claim but the evidence is still in contrast to what you're saying. He does extreme **** all of the time.

No. He has done nothing even remotely this extreme.

Saying SCOTUS members should recuse themselves, claiming bias from judges because of their heritage, degrading jurors, and using his political office for any ******* reason he wants. That's extreme behavior, you just don't care, but sadly that doesn't change the facts.

No. He talks **** all the time. But he doesn't DO that much.

No, it's not. He purposefully, and willfully went to another country to request an investigation knowing that it would sway the electoral process by creating a bias against Biden in international news.

Once again, that's not even remotely comparable.

Who gives a flying **** how long it took him to get rid of Comey and Sessions? They didn't do anything wrong. Why even bother mentioning them? :confused:

Because it shows he's not actually as impulsive as you claim.

And yes, actually, Comey done ****** up big time. Have you not seen the IG report?

The hell he hasn't. He's using the AG as his personal prosecution and propaganda machine.

Name me one person Trump is responsible for prosecuting.

The ******* Federal Judges are calling a special meeting because of it.

No. The Federal Judges Association called a special meeting. But the Federal Judges Association is an independent group, it isn't actually part of the judiciary. And that "emergency meeting" was postponed indefinitely, likely because this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot.

You might say he hasn't created himself any new powers, but he's using his current power in ways that no other POTUS has

This is frequently overstated, but for the sake of argument let's accept it. What would that mean? We can expect him to continue to use existing powers in new ways, and to continue to not create new powers.

Can the president use existing powers to not hold an election, or invalidate its results, or stay in office past the end of his tenure? No, he cannot. Novel applications of existing powers cannot suffice to accomplish any of that.

The phrase, "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should" exists for a reason.

Which is relevant to the argument that Trump may do bad things. But it's not relevant to the argument that Trump might try to launch a coup.

I've never actually claimed he would do it. I've only claimed that it wouldn't be out of his norm, or strange for him to try it.

Of course. Got to have an excuse for when nothing happens.
 
Of course. Got to have an excuse for when nothing happens.

It's not an excuse, it's the ******* truth. Unless you can prove me wrong about that, but you won't.

As to the rest, I'm just straight up not going to argue with you. It won't go anywhere because neither of us are going to change each others mind.
 
It's not an excuse, it's the ******* truth. Unless you can prove me wrong about that, but you won't.

You've formulated your position so that it's unfalsifiable. So yes, I cannot prove you wrong. That's not actually a point in your favor.
 
Aren't you the one who should prove your claim that nothing happens?!
 
This reminds me of a coworker a year or so ago who was adamant that the wall trump was talking about was a metaphor not some real physical wall because that would be stupid, expensive and ineffective.
 
I'm betting the Democrats will see an opportunity for martial law and mass quarantine before the president does. If this thing goes full Outbreak on us, they'll be cursing Trump in the streets* for not taking more drastic steps sooner to curb the spread.

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*"Which is different from today how?"
 
This reminds me of a coworker a year or so ago who was adamant that the wall trump was talking about was a metaphor not some real physical wall because that would be stupid, expensive and ineffective.


Not bad! That's also how you argue for religion nowadays! :)
 
Yup. This is the one thing Donald Trump isn't going to be able to lie his way out of.

He and his appointed minions are already looking like uninformed idiots from the press conference last night.

Aside from the fawning over how great our reaction has been so far I didn't find it that bad. Things aren't that bad as of now, it may get worse, maybe even much worse and we should be prepared. Businesses and schools should look at their disaster preparedness plans.
They will spend as much as is necessary.
Maybe it was a little too rosy but in my opinion better than causing a panic.
 
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