Will Trump See Covid-19 as an Opportunity?

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I do have a tough time picturing how Trump will proceed with the traditional White House tour and deep, stimulating walk in the garden with his successor before handing him the keys.
 
Ziggurat said:
And my earlier point that you dismissed comes back here: they aren’t remotely comparable. That Republicans didn’t care that much about investigating Biden doesn’t mean they would tolerate a coup. They won’t. And everyone, including Trump, knows that.
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Why wouldn't they tolerate it? They have tolerated child concentration camps, foreign emoluments, the politicization of the civil service, Trump deliberately ignoring Russian interference in our elections, Trump trying to force other countries to manufacture political scandals against his enemies, etc. Republican apologists keep saying that there are lines the GOP will not let him cross, and Trump keeps crossing them. Personally, I am not holding my breath for the great Republican rebellion against Trump...
 
Ziggurat said:
But it doesn’t. He came out of that just fine.
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He came out just fine, sure, but it's still an example of his recklessness and absence of contemplative reflection.



You aren’t even being coherent. First you claimed he didn’t contemplate the future, now you are saying he will.
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I'm saying he's learned that the Republicans will allow him to get away with stuff. No, I don't think he's a reflective, contemplative person. Yes, he is aware of people that suck up to him that he can take advantage of. Are you being deliberately obtuse? It wouldn't be the first time.

And my earlier point that you dismissed comes back here: they aren’t remotely comparable. That Republicans didn’t care that much about investigating Biden doesn’t mean they would tolerate a coup. They won’t. And everyone, including Trump, knows that.
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I wasn't comparing them, as I just explained to you. And I think you give Trump too much credit when you say he knows.



Of course. Because orange man dumb. But no skepticism is warranted for the assertion that he’s dumb, that’s axiomatic.
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Axiomatic? Hardly. Many of his cabinet have literally called him a ******* moron. We actually have good evidence he is a moron. We also have good evidence that many people are willfully blind to this evidence.
 
Random said:
Watching the Trump Press conference. Wow, he doesn't have a clue does he? OK, give it to Pence. Actually makes me feel better...
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Well, if you hadn't heard Trump at the press conference, you wouldn't know how incredibly hard president Xi is working!
 
ponderingturtle said:
As opposed to the senate endorsing the extortion of our allies for political bribes, that was of course always in the cards and never would be thought of as far fetched.
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As opposed to a major candidate being caught RED HANDED conspiring with a foreign power to steal an election and him still being allowed to take the office he stole...
 
Random said:
Why wouldn't they tolerate it? They have tolerated child concentration camps, foreign emoluments, the politicization of the civil service, Trump deliberately ignoring Russian interference in our elections, Trump trying to force other countries to manufacture political scandals against his enemies, etc. Republican apologists keep saying that there are lines the GOP will not let him cross, and Trump keeps crossing them. Personally, I am not holding my breath for the great Republican rebellion against Trump...
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This.
 
Ranb said:
So let us assume that Trump narrowly loses the election in November. He declares that he will not leave office for some reason. The president elect manages to get sworn in anyway, then directs the Secret Service to evict Trump from the White House. Bloodless or not? :)

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Not.

Trump has already incited the Royalist militias to violence more than once. They're still itching for it. All he has to do is Tweet that they're throwing him out in a 'coup' and they will start again. Or Fox will claim ANTIFA killed someone or there are 'buses of illegal voters' or some other claim. True or not, you'll see lots of progressives, politicians, media, and brown people attacked. Again. And, true or not, some of the 'thinking' conservatives on this board will blame progressives for pushing too hard or not denouncing whoever enough, or the 'punch a Nazi' thing or whatever other flaccid rationalization their media settles on for them.

Trump's deplorables already have a non-negligible body count. It isn't in any way unreasonable to think it could happen again.
 
Trump on the corona virus:

"We're very, very ready for this..."

Uh oh. Now I know they've got nothing.
 
Stacyhs said:
Trump on the corona virus:

"We're very, very ready for this..."

Uh oh. Now I know they've got nothing.
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They got Pence...but that is a distinction without a difference....

He is the guy who allowed a HIV crisis to develop in Indiana because he was against Needle Exchange.
 
Venom said:
I bet bloodless yes.

He will go out with a proud and boastful speech saying how much he thinks he did for the country and best admin ever and step down peacefully.
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I think he'll throw a tantrum and crap himself, and have to be sedated by injection. So bloodless, but terribly embarrassing for everyone. I just hope, for the sake of our noble nation and its glorious traditions and holy purpose, that someone catches it all on video and posts it on YouTube. I think the Founding Fathers would have wanted that very much.
 
CORed said:
I have a little fantasy. I'm going to say that it most likely won't happen. If Trump loses the election this year, I fully expect him to rant and rave about voter fraud and whatnot, but when January 20, 2021 rolls around, he'll begrudgingly leave the White House. But my fantasy is, that he refuses to leave, and keeps barking out orders that everybody politely refuses to follow. He shouts louder and louder. Everyone ignores him. He picks up the phone and orders an airstrike against the Capitol. The military officer simply says, "You're not the President anymore, Mr. Trump. I can't do that. " Eventually, the Secret Service, Parks Police or whoever, carry him out the door, kicking and screaming, and unceremoniously dump him in the street. I don't think he's (quite) stupid enough to let it go down this way, but I would relish it if it did.
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I knew he wasn't going to be convicted, but if he ever did anything to make the Republicans in the Senate turn against him, I would be truly frightened about what he would do during the roll call vote, in the last minutes of his presidency.
 
Stacyhs said:
Trump on the corona virus:

"We're very, very ready for this..."

Uh oh. Now I know they've got nothing.[/QUOT

It truly frightened me that the man responsible for a pandemic response plan is the same man responsible for the Hurricane Maria recovery.
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Re:. Clinton derangement syndrome. I had forgotten just how kooky it got for a while, but that was mostly lunatic fringe.

My wife is a psychologist, and she said some of her anxiety disorder clients did very, very, badly after the election. She had never seen that happen before.


As for several of the responses, they are of the form, "He said some really crazy stuff, therefore he might try to illegally take over the government.". It's a variation on the slippery slope fallacy. Does anyone know if it has a more specific name?
 
Meadmaker said:
As for several of the responses, they are of the form, "He said some really crazy stuff, therefore he might try to illegally take over the government.". It's a variation on the slippery slope fallacy. Does anyone know if it has a more specific name?
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Do you have an example of that? I thought the responses were more along the lines of, "He said he would contest the election, therefore he might try to contest the election". Not really a slippery slope or any sort of fallacy at all.
 
As things now stand, it seems more likely that the outbreak will cost Trump the Presidency.

Americans might be happy to see Chaos in Washington ... but not when they need their government to protect them.
 
Venom said:
I do have a tough time picturing how Trump will proceed with the traditional White House tour and deep, stimulating walk in the garden with his successor before handing him the keys.
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If I were his successor, I would invite Obama to the White House to give me that tour and walk.

I would also solicit the involvement of volunteers from among former staffers of the Obama administration to guide my new administration's transition. By all accounts the White House has been run incompetently on multiple levels, and a new administration's priority has to be returning the machinery of the executive to its normal functionality, which will require the expertise of those who were actually present last time it functioned normally.
 
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