Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweeted

प्रथम महिला और मैं इस देश के हर नागरिक को एक सन्देश देने के लिए दुनिया का 8000 मील का चक्कर लगा कर यहां आये हैं l अमेरिका भारत को  प्रेम करता है - अमेरिका भारत का सम्मान करता है - और
अमरीका के लोग हमेशा भारत के लोगों के सच्चे और निष्ठावान दोस्त रहेंगे l

The first lady and I have traveled around 8000 miles around the world to give a message to every citizen of this country. America loves India - America respects India - and
People of America will always remain true and loyal friends of the people of India.

 

[Darat]

Indian PM must have been really laying in on thick.

 

[Sideroxylon]

I think I've figured it out! There are two Trumps, and two universes! The other universe is the Bizarro universe, but the Trumps got switched! Everything this Trump says makes sense in the Bizarro universe, and vice versa!

I think we got the ****** timeline.

 

[Belz...]

Sanders? Are You Kidding? His nomination would seal the deal for Trump. Don't buy what the Bernie Bros are selling you.

Dudalb, please read my post again. Look at the adjectives I used.

I didn't say I thought he'd win... but then, do you think the other candidates would have better odds?

 

[Armitage72]

Trump Tweeted

The first lady and I have traveled around 8000 miles around the world to give a message to every citizen of this country. America loves India - America respects India - and
People of America will always remain true and loyal friends of the people of India.

During the trip, they visited the Taj Mahal. I can easily picture Trump bragging about how his hotel and casino was better. (The one that went bankrupt and was fined millions for money laundering.)

 

[Distracted1]

Dudalb, please read my post again. Look at the adjectives I used.

I didn't say I thought he'd win... but then, do you think the other candidates would have better odds?

If I may answer a question directed at someone else.
Most of the other candidates have a better chance of defeating Trump than Sanders does. IMO

We are getting ready to repeat the same mistake we made last time around (giving the rust-belt the candidate we know they will have the toughest time with, and expecting the overall popularity of the same will carry the election anyway), and will likely reap the same harvest.

 

[Ladewig]

If I may answer a question directed at someone else.
Most of the other candidates have a better chance of defeating Trump than Sanders does. IMO

We are getting ready to repeat the same mistake we made last time around (giving the rust-belt the candidate we know they will have the toughest time with, and expecting the overall popularity of the same will carry the election anyway), and will likely reap the same harvest.

But what can be done to correct that mistake?
The24-hour news cycle requires ridiculous coverage of Iowa and Vermont, so they have far more influence than they deserve.

Also, how many people are willing to go through all the crap that candidates have to go through when the opponent is sane? Upthread, people mentioned that most Trump supporters are immune to facts and have no understanding of how to judge a source’s credibility. So that means if President Trump says you bathe in the blood of Christian children, then 30-45% of the population will believe that about you until the day they die. Who is willing to put up with that?

Also, I think there could be a few charismatic, passionate, educated, intelligent, sane people look at the deficit and come to the conclusion that economicly the country is playing a game of hot potato. They don’t want to be left holding the bag when the music stops and the economy crashes very hard.

 

[Cabbage]

If I may answer a question directed at someone else.
Most of the other candidates have a better chance of defeating Trump than Sanders does. IMO

We are getting ready to repeat the same mistake we made last time around (giving the rust-belt the candidate we know they will have the toughest time with, and expecting the overall popularity of the same will carry the election anyway), and will likely reap the same harvest.

Why do you think Sanders is the one they will have the toughest time with? It does not look that way to me:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/michigan/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/wisconsin/

 

[Distracted1]

Why do you think Sanders is the one they will have the toughest time with? It does not look that way to me:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/michigan/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/wisconsin/

I grew up in Detroit, and have lived the last twenty years in Philadelphia. I flatter myself perhaps that I have a feel for the people of these regions.

The polls you posted seem encouraging, obviously, but when the tally of likely voters (usually a 45% plus a 47% or similar) is taken there are %10 of the likely voters currently not in either column. That %10 exceeds the amount of Sanders lead in the poll.

I think that %10 will turn out in much larger numbers against Sanders than it will against any other potential Democratic contender. Creating another "squeaker" of a loss for us in the General.

The goal should be to provide the fence-sitters a nice vanilla candidate who will not excite Them too much, I do not believe that those undecided voters can be positively motivated this election, we can only hope to avoid negatively inspiring them, and Sanders definitely negatively inspires them.

 

[xjx388]

Why do you think Sanders is the one they will have the toughest time with? It does not look that way to me:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/michigan/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/wisconsin/

I don't think those polls tell you anything. Basically, there are 70% of Democrats in each of those States who are not supporting Bernie. How many of them will turn out for a Sanders General candidacy is unknown.

 

[Cabbage]

I don't think those polls tell you anything. Basically, there are 70% of Democrats in each of those States who are not supporting Bernie. How many of them will turn out for a Sanders General candidacy is unknown.

You might wanna recheck what my post was responding to:

We are getting ready to repeat the same mistake we made last time around (giving the rust-belt the candidate we know they will have the toughest time with, and expecting the overall popularity of the same will carry the election anyway), and will likely reap the same harvest.

Those polls tell you that not only is Sanders not the Dem they will have the toughest time with, he's the current favorite.

 

[Segnosaur]

Remember the 1980s "Miracle on Ice", when a rag-tag group of American hockey players managed to beat the Russians at the Olympics and win the gold medal?

The team was seen as heroes at the time, and something that sort of unified America.

Now? Not so much...

From: https://sports.yahoo.com/miracle-on...ision-to-appear-at-trump-rally-200916430.html
Many members of the team were in Las Vegas over the weekend to celebrate the 40th anniversary of their shocking upset of the Soviet Union and attended a campaign rally Trump was holding...
...
The team’s Twitter account posted a tweet with photos of the event.
"The name on the front is more important than the name on the back".
Juxtaposing a famous quote about unity with photos of the players in hats supporting the most divisive president in recent memory didn’t go over well with many fans.

Extremely tone-deaf of the team members to not realize just how problematic it would be to be associated with Trump (especially at a campaign rally). They have tried to claim "its not about politics...", but to half the country they are probably no longer seen as heroes.

They beat the russians, then end up sharing the stage with a man who is selling America out to the Russians. Good job. [Slow clap].

 

[Distracted1]

You might wanna recheck what my post was responding to:




Those polls tell you that not only is Sanders not the Dem they will have the toughest time with, he's the current favorite.

The Democratic Primary polls mean nothing to the general election.
However, your link affords the opportunity to switch to State-by-State examination of a head to head against Trump.

Looking at that, Sanders ties Warren and Biden in WI, is 1 point ahead of Buttigieg in MI, and 1 point ahead of Biden in PA.
All of those results represent only %90 of likely voters.

A couple months ago those polls showed Biden blowing everyone away.

I expect the Sanders numbers have about peaked in those States, and will begin falling in head to heads against Trump as Sanders begins to face more scrutiny. Hopefully, it will not be too late to get a different Candidate before that becomes apparent.

 

[pgwenthold]

Remember the 1980s "Miracle on Ice", when a rag-tag group of American hockey players managed to beat the Russians at the Olympics and win the gold medal?

The team was seen as heroes at the time, and something that sort of unified America.

Now? Not so much...

From: https://sports.yahoo.com/miracle-on...ision-to-appear-at-trump-rally-200916430.html
Many members of the team were in Las Vegas over the weekend to celebrate the 40th anniversary of their shocking upset of the Soviet Union and attended a campaign rally Trump was holding...
...
The team’s Twitter account posted a tweet with photos of the event.
"The name on the front is more important than the name on the back".
Juxtaposing a famous quote about unity with photos of the players in hats supporting the most divisive president in recent memory didn’t go over well with many fans.

Extremely tone-deaf of the team members to not realize just how problematic it would be to be associated with Trump (especially at a campaign rally). They have tried to claim "its not about politics...", but to half the country they are probably no longer seen as heroes.

This is where it really went over the line. They have all the right to support whomever they want and all that, but when you show up at a campaign rally wearing MAGA hats, don't claim "it's not about politics."

Don't feed us a shitburger and tell us it's filet mignon.

 

[Bob001]

Sounds like a Medicare Advantage plan. IOW, an MA plan denying multiple rehab stints after multiple hospital stays is not unusual. Medicare has strict coverage requirements for rehab units. If she is not expected to recover any ability to care for herself after hospital-rehab-hospital another rehab unit isn’t going to be approved by an MA plan.

Now, if she had traditional Medicare, she likely would have been admitted to the rehab unit again for a short time; Medicare pays up to 100 days after each hospital admission. The doctor’s orders and certification would have been enough to get her in if the rehab doctor agreed.
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Question: Many people with traditional Medicare also take out "Medigap" supplement coverage. Would that have provided additional benefits here?

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The problem here is that Aetna has stricter requirements and can make its own rules about what will be approved. The whole point of a MA plan is that Medicare gives Aetna $X to care for each patient and that’s it. X varies depending on the particular risk factors each patient has. If she was relatively healthy, Aetna likely doesn’t have any more money in her “budget” to spend on more rehab. MA is all about controlling costs.

Medicare does not pay for long-term care at all other than home health visits. The fact that she is bed-ridden is not enough to justify keeping her in a rehab unit. We don’t really know her true medical situation so we can’t really say whether Aetna made the right decision.
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According to the linked story, the previous Manor Care rehab facility treated her horribly, including falsifying her records. That's where she contracted the infections that put her back into the hospital and why she needs more rehab. Seems like that's a factor that should be taken into account. It's not like she has terminal cancer.

If I were in this family’s shoes, I would have used the Special Enrollment Period after a rehab unit stay to get her out of the MA plan and back on to Traditional Medicare. Then I’d talk to the doc (assuming he/she agrees as does the rehab doc) to get her admitted back in the hospital which would trigger another 100 days of rehab being available. If she doesn’t recover by then, though, the family is still looking at figuring out long-term care.

Very few people would understand this kind of subtlety, especially when they are severely ill and their loved ones are scared. Maybe the doctor or somebody should be obligated to explain it all to them. But "Go home and die!" can't be the right answer under any circumstances.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Ancient athletes aren't the people to tell us what politics to follow? Good heavens, next someone will suggest it's not the business of famous actors, either!

There's some saying about opinions and posterior, i can't remember it precisely, I'll ask my priest when he's explaining who I should vote for.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Ancient athletes aren't the people to tell us what politics to follow? Good heavens, next someone will suggest it's not the business of famous actors, either!

Indeed. I only take my political advice from super-wealthy actors who flew to Hollywood on their private jets to wear suits and dresses that cost more then my house so they can lecture me about income disparage and environmental awareness in between handing each other gold statues.

 

[MRC_Hans]

But what can be done to correct that mistake?
The24-hour news cycle requires ridiculous coverage of Iowa and Vermont, so they have far more influence than they deserve.

Also, how many people are willing to go through all the crap that candidates have to go through when the opponent is sane? Upthread, people mentioned that most Trump supporters are immune to facts and have no understanding of how to judge a source’s credibility. So that means if President Trump says you bathe in the blood of Christian children, then 30-45% of the population will believe that about you until the day they die. Who is willing to put up with that? Also, I think there could be a few charismatic, passionate, educated, intelligent, sane people look at the deficit and come to the conclusion that economicly the country is playing a game of hot potato. They don’t want to be left holding the bag when the music stops and the economy crashes very hard.

I don't think it works like that. Those people don't believe everything Trump says. They believe whatever they want to believe, and don't care (or know) if it's true or not. That said, Trump is very good at saying what some people want to believe.

Hans

 

[The Great Zaganza]

No one believes Trump -
they believe in Trump.

The GOP is living on borrowed time, since their popularity is based on Trump's; it's a Personality Cult, it has nothing to do with Conservatism.

 

[Cabbage]

The Democratic Primary polls mean nothing to the general election.
However, your link affords the opportunity to switch to State-by-State examination of a head to head against Trump.

Looking at that, Sanders ties Warren and Biden in WI, is 1 point ahead of Buttigieg in MI, and 1 point ahead of Biden in PA.
All of those results represent only %90 of likely voters.

A couple months ago those polls showed Biden blowing everyone away.

I expect the Sanders numbers have about peaked in those States, and will begin falling in head to heads against Trump as Sanders begins to face more scrutiny. Hopefully, it will not be too late to get a different Candidate before that becomes apparent.

Or, you know, maybe that fall never happens to begin with.