Should we fear Bernie?

[BrooklynBaby]

So you agree that Trump is an illegitimate candidate?

Hans

No, I don't think Trump is an illegitimate candidate. I don't think Comrade Bernie is either. I do think the "Intelligence" officials who connected the Russians to Bernie are trying to take him down just like they tried to take Trump down, for the same reason -- they think Bernie is a threat to them. Like Trump, he's a maverick (and a socialist), so they want someone else who will be happy to go along to get along. But, unless Bernie hits the convention with 50%+, the Democrats will probably get rid of him themselves.

 

[BobTheCoward]

As someone who is just right of center with a splash of libertarian and did NOT vote for Trump last election for obvious reasons...if its Sanders VS Trump...I doubt ill go with with Sanders.

I would probably vote for Pete
I would have voted for Yang
If Obama could run again I would vote Obama

Just saying

As a hardcore deontological libertarian, I'm more likely to vote for Sanders than any other democrat. Part of being an ideologue is having more respect for ideologues (even if the wrong ideology) than wishy washy partisans.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sanders has said that Fox News treats him more fairly than MSNBC. Well, just wait until the general election...

No one in this thread sincerely believes you (except me).

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Absolutely! Believe it or not, many people do have the audacity to disagree with you, you know.

Obviously people disagree with me. When have I ever suggested they didn't?

But "most admired"?

No, just no.

 

[angrysoba]

Because the last 20 years has been an arms race of who can be the most pedantic about whether you have 4 fingers and a thumb or 5 fingers and about how many legs does a dog have if you call a tail a leg and "It's not Champagne, It's Sparking Wine" and so forth and such on and etc.

If we can never be clear/precise enough to appease the pedants with our categorization, we just shouldn't use them. Just refer directly to the context/meaning and cut their ability to stall and troll out from under them.

You've played the game as long as I have. You know damn well no matter how well you word it, how precise you are if you say "X is Y therefore Z" someone, someone will within a metaphysical certainty stop the conversation to argue about with X is Y even if they don't disagree with the core "X therefore Z" argument being made.

You know as well as I do that the world is full of people who, if you walk up to them asking for help because you're dying because a poisonous snake just bit you, will argue that no that's not possible because poisonous means its toxic if you eat, what you really mean is you were bitten by a venomous snake and now it's too late because you're already dead.

So if "X is category Y therefore conclusion Z" will always attract the pedants, just drop it and phrase it as "X therefore conclusion Z." It's the same meaning it just skips over the part that always triggers that subset of humanity that is incapable of not spotting a technicality but totally incapable of realizing it doesn't matter and nobody cares.

Translation: rational discourse belongs in the dustbin.

 

[Cabbage]

Obviously people disagree with me. When have I ever suggested they didn't?

You're doing it right now.....

But "most admired"?

No, just no.

...by letting your bias affect your perception, as demonstrated in the above comment.

 

[dann]

Marianne Williamson endorses Bernie Sanders. (I guess Andrew Yang might be next.)


Her speech is free from new-age crap - apparently inspired by Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream speech and maybe Obama's Yes We Can slogan.

 

[dann]

Admired?

Why the ?

A new poll found that among all other notable American senators, representatives, and even the president, Bernie Sanders reigns supreme as the most popular politician in the nation, the Hill reports.
The Harvard-Harris Poll—an online survey conducted from August 17 to 22—culled responses from 2,263 voters who lean both left and right, along with those who identify as nonpartisan. It asked about their feelings on the Democratic and Republican parties, the biggest political moments of the past few weeks, and what issues matter most to them. It also quizzed them on America's politicians, asking how favorably or unfavorably they viewed certain lawmakers.
Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in America, Poll Says - The Vermont senator is the only national politician a majority of voters actually like, according to a new poll. (Vice, Aug. 24, 2017)

Do you have reason to believe that he has become less admired since 2017?
Are you even the slightest bit interested in a candidate that can beat Trump?

 

[BobTheCoward]

So, we all agree Comrade Bernie is an illegitimate candidate because Putin's meddling has pushed him to the top, or does that only work if the candidate is Republican? (Yes, I know there is no evidence, but Comrade Bernie is on tape praising the USSR, and Democrats have said over and over that Trump is an illegitimate POTUS because of Russian meddling.) Oh, it also makes Comrade Bernie a Russian operative, according to Democrats, who wrote the book on this.

The illegitimacy comes from the multiple efforts to gain the assistance of the Russian government.

 

[Belz...]

lol, the Russians help Trump in 2016, Russians helping the soon to be Dem nominee out helps Trump in 2020.


How convenient.


Wile E coyote couldn't have planned it better

When out of comprehension, use sarcasm.

 

[Nova Land]

I can tolerate everyone's misuse of terminology and misunderstanding of history but please do let's get a grip on capitalization! Lowercase for all terms unless it's a proper name! A republic, democracy, liberal, conservative, upholstery. The Republican Party, a Democrat Democratic governor, Romania.

Fixed it for you.

I can tolerate everyone's misuse of terminology and misunderstanding of history but please do let's get a grip on proper adjectival forms. A person who is a Democrat (noun) is a member of the Democratic Party (adjective). A governor may be a Democrat (noun), in which case they are a Democratic governor (adjective).

(And, to return to your point about capitalization, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of being democratic governors or undemocratic governors. As you correctly noted, proper capitalization is important; improper capitalization can significantly change the meaning of what's written.)

Because there are favorable connotations to the word democratic, some conservatives many years ago began deliberately using the incorrect adjectival form Democrat when referring to the Democratic Party, and the misuse became common enough that nowadays even people who aren't trying to use the wrong word often do. But the correct name is Democratic Party, and people who call it the Democrat Party are as wrong as people who use it's and who's as possessive pronouns.





Isn't it time the Membership Agreement was updated to make these kinds of grammatical errors yellow card offenses?

 

[TragicMonkey]

Fixed it for you.

I can tolerate everyone's misuse of terminology and misunderstanding of history but please do let's get a grip on proper adjectival forms. A person who is a Democrat (noun) is a member of the Democratic Party (adjective). A governor may be a Democrat (noun), in which case they are a Democratic governor (adjective).

(And, to return to your point about capitalization, both Republicans and Democrats are capable of being democratic governors or undemocratic governors. As you correctly noted, proper capitalization is important; improper capitalization can significantly change the meaning of what's written.)

Because there are favorable connotations to the word democratic, some conservatives many years ago began deliberately using the incorrect adjectival form Democrat when referring to the Democratic Party, and the misuse became common enough that nowadays even people who aren't trying to use the wrong word often do. But the correct name is Democratic Party, and people who call it the Democrat Party are as wrong as people who use it's and who's as possessive pronouns.





Isn't it time the Membership Agreement was updated to make these kinds of grammatical errors yellow card offenses?

"A Democrat governor" is perfectly acceptable. That usage is entirely different from mistaking the name of the party itself. One may certainly use "Democrat" as an adjective. When part of the party's name it's half of a noun.

And certainly not, perceived "grammatical errors" should certainly not be "offenses"; no should any other innocuous usage someone's diseased imagination perceives as insulting.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

I miss the days when the biggest political scandal we had going was "pronounces it 'Democrat.' "

 

[Nova Land]

"A Democrat governor" is perfectly acceptable.

No, it's not. Perfectly means 100%. The misuse of Democrat this way is acceptable to the conservatives who began doing it as a way to irritate Democrats. It is acceptable to many people who have heard the word misused this way so often they don't realize it's incorrect. But it is not acceptable to many people who care about grammar, nor is it acceptable to many people in the Democratic Party who have repeatedly objected to this incorrect usage.


From the New York Times, August 17, 1984:

Representative Jack F. Kemp, Republican of upstate New York, placed himself in an unusual position today. He defended Democrats before the Republican platform committee.

When a delegate asked unanimous consent to change a platform amendment to read the ''Democrat Party'' instead of ''Democratic Party,'' Mr. Kemp objected, saying that would be ''an insult to our Democratic friends.'' The committee later decided to drop the issue because it lacked unanimous support.

The term ''Democrat Party'' has been used in recent years by some right-wing Republicans on the ground that the term used by Democrats implies that they are the only true adherents of democracy.

Democrats in the House objected so loudly to the terminology several years ago that the House Republican leadership, including Mr. Kemp, openly called on Republicans to say ''Democratic'' to avoid needless rancor between the two parties.

So please, in the future, be more careful in how you use words like perfectly. If you had said "partially acceptable" or "acceptable to those who don't know better" I wouldn't need to be posting this additional comment which is unrelated to the actual thread topic, but perfectly is a fine word and it's painful to see you misusing it this way.

 

[dann]

When out of comprehension, use sarcasm.

Forgive him. He must have run out of his usual laughing dogs ...

 

[TragicMonkey]

No, it's not. Perfectly means 100%. The misuse of Democrat this way is acceptable to the conservatives who began doing it as a way to irritate Democrats. It is acceptable to many people who have heard the word misused this way so often they don't realize it's incorrect. But it is not acceptable to many people who care about grammar, nor is it acceptable to many people in the Democratic Party who have repeatedly objected to this incorrect usage.


From the New York Times, August 17, 1984:



So please, in the future, be more careful in how you use words like perfectly. If you had said "partially acceptable" or "acceptable to those who don't know better" I wouldn't need to be posting this additional comment which is unrelated to the actual thread topic, but perfectly is a fine word and it's painful to see you misusing it this way.

I understand perfectly, and will definitely not employ that word, or any others, exactly as I see fit, irregardless of whether you order me not to. Its another perfect example of the Democrat Party in action, and I could care less.

 

[JoeMorgue]

It's not our goddamn fault that the two biggest political parties in American choose names for themselves that represent broad political ideals/structures.

Don't like it; don't call yourself a common word so there's no confusion.

It's like the abortion debate up and deciding it just owns the words "life" and "choice" for its teams.

 

[TragicMonkey]

It's not our goddamn fault that the two biggest political parties in American choose names for themselves that represent broad political ideals/structures.

Don't like it; don't call yourself a common word so there's no confusion.

It's like the abortion debate up and deciding it just owns the words "life" and "choice" for its teams.

And it leads to confusion later. Young people see 80s music videos and have to have it explained that "Choose Life" was for a time an anti-drug message, not an anti-abortion one.

 

[Distracted1]

It's not our goddamn fault that the two biggest political parties in American choose names for themselves that represent broad political ideals/structures.

Don't like it; don't call yourself a common word so there's no confusion.

It's like the abortion debate up and deciding it just owns the words "life" and "choice" for its teams.

Actually, it is not.
"Life" and "Choice" are not names.

The name of the Democratic Party is a name. Intentionally calling it by a different name (especially a name with derogatory roots) is not the same thing as arguing the semantics of the meaning of a word.

 

[dann]

Personally, I think there is good reason why Russia is backing this guy, and it ain't because he's DemSoc.

https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1230973734397214721

Have you seen actual proof that Putin is backing Bernie Sanders? What makes you think that the Russiagate narrative is true?