Should we fear Bernie?

[HoverBoarder]

* the end of all national borders.

Not going to happen even if he wanted it cause Canada and Mexico won't agree.

* the end of ICE and CBP.

A lot of people want ICE gone, they are a solution looking for a problem and causing more issues than they solve. Customs and Border Patrol aren't going anywhere.

* the destruction of Capitalism.

Is not going to happen even under Bernie. Regulated Capitalism might, but then that is a good idea, not a bad one. Unregulated Capitalism is blight that is highly destructive.

* state ownership of large industries

Nationalization isn't going to occur.

* legalized prostitution

Which is a problem how? We've had legalised Prostitution for 17 years now and the country hasn't exploded into fiery shards of lava.

* reperations for slavery

Which is bad how? Slavery was kinda abhorrent, and the US political systems have been working to continue the oppression of blacks ever since Lincoln announced emancipation. Why is paying reparations for that treatment so bad?

That's the thing about Bernie, there's a long list of things that would never happen. None of those items on the list would occur. So what do you think he would actually do?

It's pretty clear that he would immediately reverse some of the most racist, racist, and self destructive policies of Trump. Those are things that are very likely to happen, and would have an immediate positive impact. Beyond that, while he would spend a significant amount of time advocating for things that would never happen, the real question is what would actually happen.

Maybe he would reduce drug price gouging, offer help for small businesses, increase child care assistance, increase infrastructure projects, increase community college access, and do some marginal help for the middle class. Which would be a great economic boom by increasing the available extra cash of the area of the economy that contributes the most to the GDP.

However, the real question is how much time will he waste before he gets to the things that will actually pass. Certainly a lot better than the disaster of Trump, but Warren would have been a much better choice since she is much more realistic.

 

[Venom]

I think the simplest explanation is they think Sanders is the most favorable candidate of the democrats for Russia.

It's certainly possible as he is fairly anti-interventionist, which always helps them out. But he's not soft on Russia.

This may be a bad look in the primary and general though.

 

[Venom]

Chris "guillotine in central park" Matthews comparing the big NV Sanders win to the Nazi blitz of France in bizarre meltdown.

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1231353034447507461

Bernie Derangement Syndrome

 

[StillSleepy]

Bernie Derangement Syndrome

The treatment? A rousing round of Bernie Derangement Syndrome Management.

 

[HoverBoarder]

If Sanders wins the nomination and you don't vote for him in November, you are helping Trump get re-elected. Then it'll be your fault.

Probably the most important thing for the immediate future of this Country will be finding an effective argument to support Sanders for moderates, Independents, and reasonable Republicans who care more about their Country than blind party loyalty.

The whole 'scary Socialism' thing is not realistic, and most people who are honest know that. We should just state the basic fact that Capitalism is just a form of Socialism. There is no Capitalist system anywhere that would exist without the Socialist police, schools, infrastructure, and regulations that allow it to exist. Socialism is almost never about directly controlling the means of production, but about controlling the required factors in ways that allow the means of production to actually occur.

In other words, we all live under different shades of Socialism. We might as well be honest about that, and find the best mix that works for our society.


Trump is a disaster for this Country. The number of times that he has asked about or threatened to use nuclear weapons, or commit war crimes, or betrayed critical allies, not only puts not only our Country at risk, but the entire world at risk. Trump abhores making informed decisions, and is more than happy to do severe damage to this Country if it suits his whim. He ignores the law, and is certain to get more brazen if he gets a 2nd term.

The world ending in a nuclear fireball because of Trump is far too late for the moderates, Independents, and reasonable Republicans to regret allowing it to happen.
The answer I think will basically be finding a balance between arguing for all of the actual things that Sanders could get passed that would benefit all of Americans, which everyone would support, and not highlighting too much that all of the really large projects that the Sanders supports love, have close to 0% chance of passing.

 

[Swordfishtrombone]

At another guess, Putin doesn't want Trump to have a particularly strong opponent so he's backing the one who is furthest along the political spectrum. This helps polarize and weaken the Democratic Party, and ultimately does the same for the entire polity.

If they think that way, it's a miscalculation - on head to head polls with different candidates, Bernie has been having the best chances against Trump, on a consistent basis.

Personally, I think Putin's gang is more intelligent than that - either there's no attempt to boost Sanders, or an attempt to undermine him, posing as if they are trying to boost him.

We'll see, I guess. I wonder what the next week's, or month's Anti-Bernie MSNBC take will be. Most recently it's the same ol' "toxic Bernie Bros" stuff. If Russia were to interfere to ensure a Trump victory, the best way would be to give fuel for the MSNBC attacks against Bernie - especially something that will embitter his supporters against the DNC and other candidates.

That way, if they managed to get it to a brokered convention with Bernie going in with a plurality of delegates but not an an outright majority that would automatically give him the nomination, and knowing that the establishment would likely grant the nomination to someone else..... that would ensure a second term for Trump.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

So, we all agree Comrade Bernie is an illegitimate candidate because Putin's meddling has pushed him to the top, or does that only work if the candidate is Republican? (Yes, I know there is no evidence, but Comrade Bernie is on tape praising the USSR, and Democrats have said over and over that Trump is an illegitimate POTUS because of Russian meddling.) Oh, it also makes Comrade Bernie a Russian operative, according to Democrats, who wrote the book on this.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

So, we all agree Comrade Bernie is an illegitimate candidate because Putin's meddling has pushed him to the top, or does that only work if the candidate is Republican? (Yes, I know there is no evidence, but Comrade Bernie is on tape praising the USSR, and Democrats have said over and over that Trump is an illegitimate POTUS because of Russian meddling.) Oh, it also makes Comrade Bernie a Russian operative, according to Democrats, who wrote the book on this.

Obvious baiting is obvious.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's about time that two of the three moderates do what's best for the country and leave the race.

I agree but which two?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...

BOOM. I want both, but if forced to choose I'd prefer the flipped Senate.

And we better be working on that.

McConnell is vulnerable, the Democratic contender polls neck and neck with him.

 

[Venom]

So, we all agree Comrade Bernie is an illegitimate candidate because Putin's meddling has pushed him to the top, or does that only work if the candidate is Republican? (Yes, I know there is no evidence, but Comrade Bernie is on tape praising the USSR, and Democrats have said over and over that Trump is an illegitimate POTUS because of Russian meddling.) Oh, it also makes Comrade Bernie a Russian operative, according to Democrats, who wrote the book on this.

Putin's meddling didn't push Sanders to the top. He's been one of the most admired politicians in the country since his 2016 loss.

I wouldn't say Trump is illegitimate either.

It depends on the nature of the help. There's no evidence it's the same. There's a difference between coordination and unknowingly being helped.

 

[MRC_Hans]

So, we all agree Comrade Bernie is an illegitimate candidate because Putin's meddling has pushed him to the top, or does that only work if the candidate is Republican? (Yes, I know there is no evidence, but Comrade Bernie is on tape praising the USSR, and Democrats have said over and over that Trump is an illegitimate POTUS because of Russian meddling.) Oh, it also makes Comrade Bernie a Russian operative, according to Democrats, who wrote the book on this.

So you agree that Trump is an illegitimate candidate?

Hans

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Putin's meddling didn't push Sanders to the top. He's been one of the most admired politicians in the country since his 2016 loss.

I wouldn't say Trump is illegitimate either.

It depends on the nature of the help. There's no evidence it's the same. There's a difference between coordination and unknowingly being helped.

Admired?

 

[Cabbage]

Admired?

Absolutely! Believe it or not, many people do have the audacity to disagree with you, you know.

 

[Venom]

Admired?

 

[Craig4]

I agree but which two?

I think it all depends on if Biden wins South Carolina.

 

[Hercules56]

No doubt Sanders will not support Ukraine against Russia.

Sanders and his folks believe the USA/NATO staged a coup to oust Yanukovitch and Ukraine is now ruled by "Nazis".

 

[Venom]

No doubt Sanders will not support Ukraine against Russia.

Sanders and his folks believe the USA/NATO staged a coup to oust Yanukovitch and Ukraine is now ruled by "Nazis".

source?

I know that Sanders doesn't want to support Ukraine with military aid at all.

 

[d4m10n]

I think it all depends on if Biden wins South Carolina.

If Bernie wins SC, that's four in a row; hard to imagine him losing on Super Tuesday.

 

[383LQ4SS]

As someone who is just right of center with a splash of libertarian and did NOT vote for Trump last election for obvious reasons...if its Sanders VS Trump...I doubt ill go with with Sanders.

I would probably vote for Pete
I would have voted for Yang
If Obama could run again I would vote Obama

Just saying