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theprestige said:
What steps have you taken, to protect yourself from this eventuality?

Some people have gone so far as to cut off contact with anyone even vaguely Chinese-looking. That's pretty wrong headed, but at least they're being proactive in the face of a global massacre.

What do you recommend, as the reasonable hedge against risk?
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I would also suggest people buy heaps of food that will keep for years. If you need to isolate yourself you can eat this food for a few weeks. Then you can watch the rest of the world be wiped out due to this virus from the safety of your own house. But if the virus turns out to be nothing worse than a mild flu outbreak then this food is the type that you would use anyway.

Suggestions
- tinned meat
- tinned veg
- frozen meat and veg (just hope the power does not go off)
- dried fruit
- bottled water (not ones with loads of sugar or artificial sweeteners)
- powdered milk

Will have to take my own advice soon before it turns winter in Australia. I predict it will hit us real bad then.

I would also suggest if you are going to buy anything that is made in China you buy it sooner, rather than later. These will be in very short supply.
 
People still connect the virus to cold weather, while there is no reason for that. This is not flu variant, nor cold variant. MERS is also coronavirus and thrives in Middle east. We can't yet tell which climate this one likes and which it doesn't.
 
theprestige said:
What steps have you taken, to protect yourself from this eventuality?
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Nothing.

theprestige said:
Some people have gone so far as to cut off contact with anyone even vaguely Chinese-looking. That's pretty wrong headed, but at least they're being proactive in the face of a global massacre.
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1-2% is hardly a massacre. Nasty, yes, but certainly not the end of the world.

theprestige said:
What do you recommend, as the reasonable hedge against risk?
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I don't think there are any. It seems highly contagious, especially on the back of exploding numbers in S Korea and I can't think of any practical measures that people can take to avoid it, aside from loading up a boat and living on it for the next six months while never going to any port.

rjh01 said:
I would also suggest people buy heaps of food that will keep for years. If you need to isolate yourself you can eat this food for a few weeks.
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You'll need six months, not a few weeks. Can't be done, I'd say.

pipelineaudio said:
And we still dont know how its spread?
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Not for scientifically certain, but it's safe to presume coughed droplets and faeces will contain the virus and if you breathe the droplets in, or get them in your eyes, nose or mouth, you're getting it.
 
The Atheist said:
Sharemarkets down 1% across the board with a lot more to come.

I'll be amazed if they don't drop by 10-20% once the scope becomes evident.
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I watched an interview today with Larry Kudlow. Optimistic words. Body language was very nervous.
 
marting said:
I watched an interview today with Larry Kudlow. Optimistic words. Body language was very nervous.
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They will absolutely **** themselves next week. If it's only down by another 1% Monday, sell like mad, you'll still make a fortune.
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Question of the day - has anyone non-Asian died of it yet?

As far as I can tell, it's no. Iran being in Western Asia, and I'm assuming the dead there were Iranian.
 
The Atheist said:
They will absolutely **** themselves next week. If it's only down by another 1% Monday, sell like mad, you'll still make a fortune.
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Question of the day - has anyone non-Asian died of it yet?

As far as I can tell, it's no. Iran being in Western Asia, and I'm assuming the dead there were Iranian.
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This brings up an interesting question I've been wondering about. Given the ubiquity of DNA testing there should, by now, be an increasing database of people that tested positive but had minor disease v those that had severe disease. If people can be identified that are less susceptible, health care workers and essential goods suppliers could be recruited from that group. It might also provide guidance where best to direct quarantine efforts.

I read about a family where one person got sick but was sent home because the hospital was overcrowded. All the family members got it and 3 of 4 died. Even if the fatality rate was 2%, this would be highly unlikely and could point to a genetic/familial sensitivity.

I've seen nothing grouped outside of age and smoking. I would think a breakdown of the Diamond Princess data would have this. I presume it exists and would be valuable info. It's also entirely possible that the data is consistent with no demographic differences and so isn't reported.
 
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The Atheist said:
I posted this on 21 January:







Sadly, it now looks to be 100% correct, with outbreaks right across the world.



There will be an explosion of cases everywhere next week.



India still showing 3, all cured.
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You keep mentioning India and its border with China. That border is up in the Himalayas, disputed, and heavily militarized.
India may be at risk, but not because of that border.
 
I think one thing in India's favor is that while there may be a lot travel between India and China (and yeah, not because of the shared border), what you didn't have was a lot of Indians going home for Chinese New Year. Singapore, on the other hand, had that issue, I'm guessing. The Indians here would have been more likely to stay, and Chinese who might travel to India for business or leisure, weren't likely to have been doing so during the new year holiday, which is a time when most people spend with their families.

So I think part of the pattern of the spread is related to the customs around Chinese New Year, given that that's when things started to get serious.
 
marting said:
This brings up an interesting question I've been wondering about. Given the ubiquity of DNA testing there should, by now, be an increasing database of people that tested positive but had minor disease v those that had severe disease.
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Possibly under way, I'd guess. They have been a touch busy.

The bigger question is why kids aren't getting it severely.

Trebuchet said:
You keep mentioning India and its border with China. That border is up in the Himalayas, disputed, and heavily militarized.
India may be at risk, but not because of that border.
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I know all about the border. And the Sino-Indian wars, for that matter.

India claims to have had three cases in January and none since. I think that's a load of bollocks. Especially when there's clearly plenty of cases in Iran, which is a lot further away. China - Indian business is also at an all-time high.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...i-trade-war/articleshow/70709107.cms?from=mdr

"While all major cities have shown positive growth, travel operators are seeing a sharp increase in traffic from India to cities like Hangzhou and Chengdu, which are some of China’s leading IT and manufacturing hubs," said CWT India CEO Vishal Sinha.
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theprestige said:
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What do you recommend, as the reasonable hedge against risk?
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Wash your hands often and use a liberal amount of alcohol based hand sanitizer (60% or more) more often in between. Most of that **** in the stores doesn't have any alcohol in it at all. All those wipes they dispense at the carts in grocery stores are not better than a wet towel.

And keep your hands strictly away from your face. Start practicing now.

People still do not understand the basics. There was a line of people on the news, somewhere (could have been anywhere), passing by a person with a hand pump hand sanitizer giving everyone a single squirt as they walked past. it was not enough. Why didn't someone tell that person with the squirt bottle? Who is advising them?

This is what was going on in the ship, incredible ignorance and denial.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
People still do not understand the basics.
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That's why I said there's nothing to be done - people either habitually keep their hands clean and away from their face, or they don't, and most people who wash their hands don't do it properly anyway.

Getting people to change a lifetime behaviour seems so unlikely as to not be worth mentioning. Then, when you factor in the extremely high likelihood of airborne infection happening, just take it as it comes.

There's an interesting - but paywalled - piece at Bloomberg where they note that several of the patients who have died have been in excellent health and inexplicably died. Also noted is some shockingly stupid treatment by hospitals in China - giving the wrong drugs or incorrect doses.

It's entitled "Coronavirus may be the disease x we were warned about". The link may work for you if you don't use Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-health-agency-warned-about?srnd=premium-asia
 
Fear is a great motivator. And I disagree, we get health care workers to improve their hand washing with a number of techniques.
 
theprestige said:
What steps have you taken, to protect yourself from this eventuality?



Some people have gone so far as to cut off contact with anyone even vaguely Chinese-looking. That's pretty wrong headed, but at least they're being proactive in the face of a global massacre.



What do you recommend, as the reasonable hedge against risk?
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When meeting and leaving people don't shake hands and avoid kissing on the cheeks, avoid touching surfaces in public places, when out and about avoid very crowded enclosed spaces and use an alcohol based hand sanitiser.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And keep your hands strictly away from your face. Start practicing now.

People still do not understand the basics. There was a line of people on the news, somewhere (could have been anywhere), passing by a person with a hand pump hand sanitizer giving everyone a single squirt as they walked past. it was not enough. Why didn't someone tell that person with the squirt bottle? Who is advising them?
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This was something that came up in the movie, Contagion. Kate Winslett's character
(PBUH)
talked about how many times people touch their faces, and how it spreads from fomites.

Another character says that his wife has been making him change all of his clothes and spray himself down before he enters his house. He asks, "Is she over-reacting?" Kate replies, "Not really."

Masks can certainly help prevent you from touching your face, which is one thing they are useful for.
 
Holy inevitable crap!

I'm hearing reports that a woman who was let off the Diamond Princess after the quarantine, has now been found to have the virus.

Unlike the other countries who repatriated those who left the ship, the Japanese passengers have been released back into the wild.

I think we can expect a surge in cases here. Something to look forward to...
 
angrysoba said:
This was something that came up in the movie, Contagion. Kate Winslett's character
(PBUH)
talked about how many times people touch their faces, and how it spreads from fomites.

Another character says that his wife has been making him change all of his clothes and spray himself down before he enters his house. He asks, "Is she over-reacting?" Kate replies, "Not really."

Masks can certainly help prevent you from touching your face, which is one thing they are useful for.
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Masks used to prevent infection have little affectivity at best but are useful for reducing spreads when worn by infectious people. At least that's the WHO's position and it seems a reasonable one.

The thing is already in the wild in Japan. On the positive side, the normal flu rate in Japan is down considerably.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Fear is a great motivator. And I disagree, we get health care workers to improve their hand washing with a number of techniques.
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Health workers, I'll give you, but the general population, nope.

Maybe if you had the time to spend on training Joe Average that you do with workers in the actual health industry, you might be able to get the message across, but the vast majority of people are ridiculously apathetic and lazy about personal hygiene.

You can see how it works from early childhood care, where kids line up to wash their hands before eating, or after playing outside. By the time they reach year 2 at school, it's all forgotten, and my kids stand there washing their hands alone.

People just don't think about germs and transferring them to their own bodies.

angrysoba said:
Unlike the other countries who repatriated those who left the ship, the Japanese passengers have been released back into the wild.
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I'm really surprised how badly they dropped the ball on covid-19. They know how dangerous it can be, and have a ship full of high-grade targets for the disease, 3500 vectors for it and the world's oldest population.

I would have expected Japan, of all countries, to treat the ship and disease efficiently and effectively, when they've done the exact opposite.

Hey, in the long run, it's not going to matter - covid-19 is on the loose and a pandemic is now inevitable.
 
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