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Yet another right wing extremist terrorist attack

theprestige said:
I think we can all agree that Germany, at least, is likely to have some right-wing extremists hanging around.
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Interesting statement... is it meant to imply that Germany is more likely compared to other countries like e.g. France, GB, US to have them hanging around?

If yes, based on what premise?
 
ZeeGerman said:
Interesting statement... is it meant to imply that Germany is more likely compared to other countries like e.g. France, GB, US to have them hanging around?
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Yes.

If yes, based on what premise?
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Based on the premise that Germany's notoriety as the birthplace of one of the most extreme right-wing factions we know makes such implications at least mildly funny when the topic of right-wing extremists in Germany comes up.

It's a subjective premise, of course. Not everyone will agree. You obviously don't find it nearly as funny as I do. And that's okay; I don't demand that you share my sense of humor. If your reply is "that's not funny!" in all caps, I understand. No hard feelings.
 
ZeeGerman said:
Interesting statement... is it meant to imply that Germany is more likely compared to other countries like e.g. France, GB, US to have them hanging around?

If yes, based on what premise?
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Well, what happened in Germany from 1933 to 1945 sort of is responsible for that.
Might not be fair, but I don't see this changing much. Right wing violence in Germany is going to push a couple of buttons that don't get pressed in other countries.
Call it the Burden of History.
And,living in Nuremburg, you should really not be surprised by this.
And ROTFL at the people denying that right wing ideology did not play a roll in this attack. yeah, the guy was crazy as a loon but then a lot of right wingers are. I don't think Der Fuhrer was a model of mental stability.
 
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McHrozni said:
Really?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51349664
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50604781

I disagree. Both these attackers were Islamic fanatics and the premier British news agency called them "former terror convicts".

By contrast:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51567971

Far-right extremist, right off the bat. No nutjob, no unknown motive, just calling him what he obviously is (or was). For the record, I think this approach is the correct one.

McHrozni
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I repeat being a far right extremist and being a nutjob are not mutually exclusive.
 
A subjective premise. Has prestige invented a new illogical category, or just relabeled an old one, viz., I KNOW WOT I KNOW 'N YOU AIN'T GUNNA TELL ME NO DIFFERNT!

One thing for sure: He invented a reverse gear for his bicycle plenty fast, and demonstrated it.
 
sackett said:
A subjective premise. Has prestige invented a new illogical category, or just relabeled an old one, viz., I KNOW WOT I KNOW 'N YOU AIN'T GUNNA TELL ME NO DIFFERNT!

One thing for sure: He invented a reverse gear for his bicycle plenty fast, and demonstrated it.
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Sense of humor is subjective. I don't know why this is a shocking or novel revelation for you.

I mean, it's obvious that you believe most of your posts are hilarious. And I'm sure they are... to you. But I don't accuse you of inventing a new illogical category, just because you find your jokes funny and I don't.
 
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Trebuchet said:
And when you get right down to it, Islamic terrorists are actually far-right.
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Islamic Terroirst are a weird mixture of far left and far right, They seem to hate Western Capitalism, but also hate equality of the sexes, Freedom of Relgion, etc.
 
carlosy said:
He was actually really crazy.

His manifesto included time travel (yes, actual time travel) to destroy the earth before it could inhabit life to prevent billions from pain and death. He talked about telepathy (with regards to Trump)...

******* crazy.
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I disagree. I haven't found anything supporting that his manifesto mentioned "time travel"; but his suggestions about government mind-control are common conspiracy/Q elements, not exclusive to mental illness.
 
dudalb said:
Islamic Terroirst are a weird mixture of far left and far right, They seem to hate Western Capitalism, but also hate equality of the sexes, Freedom of Relgion, etc.
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They're revolutionary progressives. They don't want to simply conserve their present society. They want to tear it down and replace it. Obviously they're committed to preserving the replacement in places where they've already established it. And the replacement is indeed based on traditional values and institutions (much more so than fascism ever was). But they don't stop there. They want to export their replacement, by force, to societies that don't share their ideals. Revolutionary progressives. Just like the communists, and just like the fascists. And entirely unlike most progressives and conservatives in liberal democracies.
 
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Checkmite said:
I disagree. I haven't found anything supporting that his manifesto mentioned "time travel"; but his suggestions about government mind-control are common conspiracy/Q elements, not exclusive to mental illness.
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google translation from Spiegel.de

A passage that deals with time travel shows how irrational this world of thought is: "In addition, we have to fly a 'time loop' and destroy the planet we call our home before the first life came into existence billions of years ago. Because we cannot let everything that has ever happened on earth leave the millions of sufferings that people have suffered. "
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R. is convinced that Trump is already implementing his ideas - albeit unwittingly, "via so-called remote control". All of this fits a message that R. addressed to the American people in a video. In it he warns of underground military bases: "In some of them, the devil is worshiped personally. They abuse, torture and kill small children."
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https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/jus...reiben-a-a026da8c-86b9-4de6-894d-7a6598edecdc
 
dudalb said:
Well, what happened in Germany from 1933 to 1945 sort of is responsible for that.
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Is it? By what effect has Nazism transcended 75 years to cause a higher likelihood of right wing extremists hanging around than we see in other countries? Something in the water?
 
ZeeGerman said:
Is it? By what effect has Nazism transcended 75 years to cause a higher likelihood of right wing extremists hanging around than we see in other countries? Something in the water?
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Nah, it's called Germany commited the worst mass murders in history under a extreme right wing Regime. When a country is responsible for something like the Holocaust, , it is going to stick around for a while.
It might not be fair,but that is the way it works.
The Holocaust has sort of become the worst example of the evil a nation can be capable of. You think that is not going to do permanent damage to a Nation's reputation?

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Same way with the South in the US. It might not be fair, but racism in the South just pushes emotional buttons it does not when it happens in other regions.
I am not saying that is a good thing, I am saying it is what happens.

You are really underestimating History and the impact it has on the present. Like it or not,Extreme Right Wing activity in Germany is going to get an emotional response it does not get in other coutries. I don't see this changing soon.

As the great writer William Faulkner said: "The Past is not dead.It's not even past".
 
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ZeeGerman said:
Is it? By what effect has Nazism transcended 75 years to cause a higher likelihood of right wing extremists hanging around than we see in other countries? Something in the water?
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"You build a bridge... Do they remember you as Hans the Bridge-Builder? No! You pave the streets... Do they remember you as Hans the Road-Builder? No! You rescue Timmy from the well... Do they remember you as Hans the Life-Saver? No! But you bang one goat..."
 
Hey, prestige.

ZeeGerman said:
Is it? By what effect has Nazism transcended 75 years to cause a higher likelihood of right wing extremists hanging around than we see in other countries? Something in the water?
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In Germany today, people who flaunt crooked crosses too much, or sing the wrong verse of the wrong formerly patriotic music, can wind up in jail. I don't approve of that kind of thought policing (all Europeans do it; they're afraid of themselves), but it indicates the distinct unpopularity of nazism in Germany today. Does that translate into a lower incidence of the disease? Or a greater incidence?

Only facts can tell us, expressed in real numbers quantifying actual situations.

Aren't I just hilarious?
 
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