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Latest news from the cruise liner is that a man and woman in their eighties have both died of the virus. These are the first fatalities of the cruise.
 
arthwollipot said:
That's just triage.
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He later went on to infect his family. I'm not concerned that he didn't receive treatment, as you say that's just triage. The concerning thing is that he was sent home to infect other people.

It's possible that they didn't have anywhere else to send such people.
 
The Atheist said:
In the case of India - also Mongolia, and several other countries that share a land border with China - I find the idea that they haven't had a single case in three weeks venturing into very unlikely territory. Singapore, South Korea and the cruise ship show that it's pretty damned contagious.
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Mongolia is pretty sparsely populated and I don't think there's all that much travel between Hubei and Mongolia for the disease to have spread there. It's not that surprising. China is a vast country and the parts of it with land borders with other countries are far from where the virus originated.

On the other hand take Singapore for instance: there are a lot of Singaporeans in China, and many (most?) of them would have been going home for Chinese New Year right around the time the infection started to spread.
 
Roboramma said:
He later went on to infect his family. I'm not concerned that he didn't receive treatment, as you say that's just triage. The concerning thing is that he was sent home to infect other people.

It's possible that they didn't have anywhere else to send such people.
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Hard to know without the ED interview but it is possible the family was already almost certainly exposed when the man was initially exposed. Or exposed before he headed to the hospital.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
One of the steps in the epidemic planning in this county once the infection has broken out and can't be contained is to close all public gathering places from schools to movie theaters. Restaurants would be closed here too.
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Yeah, I think it makes sense. It happened later than other things, though. They were open a little over a week ago, whereas cinemas, schools, gyms, etc. were closed more than three weeks ago. Just thought people might interested in new developments.
 
Roboramma said:
He later went on to infect his family. I'm not concerned that he didn't receive treatment, as you say that's just triage. The concerning thing is that he was sent home to infect other people.

It's possible that they didn't have anywhere else to send such people.
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Fair enough. I agree, he probably should have been quarantined.
 
Wow! This is the testimony of an infection specialist from Kobe University, Kentaro Iwata, who I have mentioned earlier.

This is a video he made in English, explaining what he had already said in Japanese, about the utterly haphazard nature of the situation on the Diamond Princess.

He talks about how there is effectively no quarantine worth the name on the cruise liner, and that having been to many places around the world and studied Ebola, SARS and various other diseases and never fearing for his safety, this was the first time he has ever feared he might contract the disease being investigated. Apparently the big problem is that the people in charge are bureaucrats with no specialist knowledge.

 
The same guy is talking now on Japanese TV.

He explains his frustration at not being listened to by the idiots "in charge".

This is actually a very typical thing in Japan. People seem to get elevated to positions of responsibility while knowing nothing about the issue.

There was a minister in charge of cybercrime here in Japan who had never used a computer and when asked about the use of USB memory sticks he asked, "What's a USB?"
 
sphenisc said:
With knock-on effects on CO2 emissions.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid-19-slashes-china-carbon-emissions-study-12451018
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Wow, talk about a silver lining. 6% of the world total is a lot.

Roboramma said:
Mongolia is pretty sparsely populated and I don't think there's all that much travel between Hubei and Mongolia for the disease to have spread there. It's not that surprising. China is a vast country and the parts of it with land borders with other countries are far from where the virus originated.
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Yeah, they may have closed up Hubei in time, especially when you look at the numbers in other provinces, where there's obviously infinitely more interaction than their border neighbours.

India is the big one, though - there must be more interaction between Chinese & Indians than Chinese and Iranians, yet we have two alleged deaths in Iran, plus an unknown number of others. It defies logic to think there aren't others, and India has zero infrastructure to deal with it.

Roboramma said:
On the other hand take Singapore for instance: there are a lot of Singaporeans in China, and many (most?) of them would have been going home for Chinese New Year right around the time the infection started to spread.
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Yep, that's almost certainly right, and the problem seems to be around the time between infection and showing symptoms, during which time they may be capable of infecting others.
 
angrysoba said:
Wow! This is the testimony of an infection specialist from Kobe University, Kentaro Iwata, who I have mentioned earlier.

This is a video he made in English, explaining what he had already said in Japanese, about the utterly haphazard nature of the situation on the Diamond Princess.

He talks about how there is effectively no quarantine worth the name on the cruise liner, and that having been to many places around the world and studied Ebola, SARS and various other diseases and never fearing for his safety, this was the first time he has ever feared he might contract the disease being investigated. Apparently the big problem is that the people in charge are bureaucrats with no specialist knowledge.
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Gawd I can so relate to that.

I'm telling you, it's the modern world but those people running the ship completely underestimated the risks. And had no clue they needed serious help.

I hope this guy doesn't turn out like that whistle blower doctor in China.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Gawd I can so relate to that.

I'm telling you, it's the modern world but those people running the ship completely underestimated the risks. And had no clue they needed serious help.

I hope this guy doesn't turn out like that whistle blower doctor in China.
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Hopefully not. He was actually just on TV here for about half an hour explaining all of this.
 
The Atheist said:
India is the big one, though - there must be more interaction between Chinese & Indians than Chinese and Iranians, yet we have two alleged deaths in Iran, plus an unknown number of others. It defies logic to think there aren't others, and India has zero infrastructure to deal with it.
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Yeah, I'm surprised about India too. I also agree that there's good reason to be concerned that it may be there but under the radar so far. I don't know enough details to say I expect that with high confidence, but it does seem a little strange to me. Hopefully we've been, and will continue to be, lucky with respect to spread to India. Time will tell I guess.
 
Man there are some crazy comments on that video! Whats the story, did they actually take it down and this one is mirrored?
 
I passed the video on to ProMed Mail, The International Society for Infectious Diseases. I copied some of your comments, Angrysoba, but left them unattributed.

https://promedmail.org/ Not sure how they deal with videos and especially videos taken down after the fact. They have though, published my emails to them before.
 
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