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Should we fear Bernie?

PhantomWolf said:
I suggest that you have Socialism and Communism confused. Try looking at the top 10 countries on these lists and compare your fears with their Socialistic policies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index


ETA: For those that can't be bothered looking at the links...

Five countries make all three lists as being in the Top Ten (11 for freedom since the last two have the same score) them being:

Norway
Sweden
New Zealand
Finland
Denmark

Six Countries make two of the Ten Ten for the lists, being:

Ireland
Canada
Australia
Switzerland
The Netherlands
Luxembourg

And four make it into the Top Ten on one list:

Iceland
Singapore
Germany
Uruguay

I'm pretty sure that despite their Socialistic policies, that none of these countries is a Communist hellhole.

ETA2: just for fun here is another list ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index just cause adding this one makes New Zealand the only country to appear in the top ten of all the lists. ;)
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It is the fruits of capitalism that give these countries the capital they need to enable social spending and provide social safety nets. Social spending is not Socialism.

As far as the OP, I like this article likening Bernie to Ron Paul
https://thebulwark.com/bernie-sanders-is-ron-paul-2-0/
Of course, it’s easy to be against things in politics. “No” is almost always a safe vote. Especially when you aren’t responsible for what happens when the banks go under, or the military is defunded, or the terrorists aren’t stopped. It’s not that I disagree with Sanders and Paul on all of their positions, so much as the fact that as political gadflies, neither was ever held responsible for any of the consequences of their ideas. That’s the difference between being a performative back bencher and and a practicing legislator.
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Baylor said:
Not the laws ICE is tasked with enforcing.
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Which comes back to the question. What do they do that is so different that other well established agencies could not do it because they aren't doing something similar already or can't be given to one of the other Immigration and Border Agencies?
 
portlandatheist said:
It is the fruits of capitalism that give these countries the capital they need to enable social spending and provide social safety nets. Social spending is not Socialism.
As far as the OP, I like this article likening Bernie to Ron Paul
https://thebulwark.com/bernie-sanders-is-ron-paul-2-0/
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I guess then that there should be no issues with UHC, Fees Free Education, and other social spending that Bernie and other Dems want to have in place then, because it's not Socialism.
 
PhantomWolf said:
]What do they do that is so different that other well established agencies could not do it because they aren't doing something similar already or can't be given to one of the other Immigration and Border Agencies?
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What?!?!?
 
PhantomWolf said:
It's a rather simply question, but I'm guessing that you don't have an answer beyond "But they kick out the brown people!"
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"What do they do that is so different that other well established agencies could not do it because they aren't doing something similar already or can't be given to one of the other Immigration and Border Agencies?" is not "a rather simply question."
 
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Baylor said:
"What do they do that is so different that other well established agencies could not do it because they aren't doing something similar already or can't be given to one of the other Immigration and Border Agencies?" is not "a rather simply question."
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You were the one that claimed that they were dealing with plenty of problems, so it should be simple for you to specify what those problem are and why they can't be dealt with by other agencies.

Here let me help you.

They deal with drugs being brought in and also People Trafficking. There's two problems.

However both the BCP and DEA also deal with Drugs coming into the country, so why do you need ICE to deal with it too? The FBI and BCP also deal with people trafficking, so again, why do you need ICE to do so.

So really, what problems is it solving that other agencies aren't already doing, or can't be handed off to one of the other Immigration Agencies? This should be easy for you, but instead you are floundering, hard.
 
Yes, we should fear Bernie. He's been unsuccessful at getting any of his ideas passed into law thus far. He's been in the majority party in the Senate and still never made any headway. As president, his ideas don't look like they will ever get past the 60 vote threshold in the Senate. Oh, and the electorate doesn't want free college and government health insurance.

With all respect to Elizabeth Warren, this is not the election for big ideas. This is the election for pragmatic ideas that can get enough support in the Senate to pass.

Also, seriously, do you look at Sanders and think that if the senior watch officer in the Situation Room and the military officer who carries the Football wakes him up at 0200 because he's got 9 minutes to make decisions on which hang the future of civilization, he's your guy? It disturbs me that we don't first consider fitness to control of our nuclear arsenal before we worry about health care.
 
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Craig4 said:
Yes, we should fear Bernie. He's been unsuccessful at getting any of his ideas passed into law thus far. He's been in the majority party in the Senate and still never made any headway. As president, his ideas don't look like they will ever get past the 60 vote threshold in the Senate. Oh, and the electorate doesn't want free college and government health insurance.

With all respect to Elizabeth Warren, this is not the election for big ideas. This is the election for pragmatic ideas that can get enough support in the Senate to pass.

Also, seriously, do you look at Sanders and think that if the senior watch officer in the Situation Room and the military officer who carries the Football wakes him up at 0200 because he's got 9 minutes to make decisions on which hang the future of civilization, he's your guy? It disturbs me that we don't first consider fitness to control of our nuclear arsenal before we worry about health care.
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You are making the mistake that the next election will be fought on Policy and not, "Our Candidate isn't Trump!"
 
If people want Trump out, an "electable candidate", in other words whoever is leading, they'll have to put their trust in.

Sanders is leading by a lot. There's no guarantee a more bland centrist candidate will perform better against Trump than Sanders.
 
If Sanders wins the nomination and you don't vote for him in November, you are helping Trump get re-elected. Then it'll be your fault.
 
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