Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

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Cain said:
As a layperson, I do not have the faintest idea of what is "fair" for this kind of trial. Rationally, all I can do is trust in Trump.
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Some of your best work.

You know, you’re good enough to go pro.
 
Ziggurat said:
If the sentence recommendation is disproportionate to the crime, then why would it need to go any higher than the charging attorneys' immediate supervisors to get changed? Those immediate supervisors should change it, if it's a bad recommendation. So even supposing Trump is willing to order Barr to do it and Barr is willing to follow that order, that still wouldn't mean it actually happened that way.

Do you have an argument for why the sentence recommendation was typical for the convicted crime?
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Is there anything this turd could do to make you wake up and stop defending him?
 
Zig, here's more confirmation of the appropriateness of the suggested sentence:
Their original recommendation — asking the judge to sentence Stone within the range set by the U.S. Federal Sentencing Guidelines for the offenses for which Stone was convicted at trial — was a perfectly ordinary filing. It is the type of pleading filed in federal courts by federal prosecutors every day.
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So, it looks like the Phillipines is ending a long-standing military agreement with the United States

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-he-doesnt-mind-if-philippines-ends-military-pact-2020-2
President of the Philippines Rodrigo has decided to terminate the 1998 Visiting Forces Agreement, a bilateral accord on the status of US troops rotating in and out of the Philippines..."I don't really mind if they would like to do that," Trump said Wednesday, adding that "it will save a lot of money." The president admitted that his "views are different from others," Reuters reported.

Defense secretary Esper has labeled it "unfortunate", and others have considered it much more serious than Trump has.

And the march by the United States towards irrelevance continues. Its cutting of foreign aid will affect its political influence in the 3rd world. Its alienation of NATO members will limit its ability to work with other western powers. It has shown itself to be an unreliable ally. And now, at a time where China wants to expand its sphere of influence, Trump is OK with abandoning an important ally in Asia.
 
Ziggurat said:
There are two problems with this position.

1) You are assuming, without evidence or argument, that the initial sentencing recommendation wasn't excessive.
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It wasn't excessive.

In the stone case you had multiple felonies which (if the actual maximums were applied) could in theory have resulted in decades of jail time. Furthermore:
- One of stone's crimes involved a threat to kill a witnesses' dog. In general, a crime that involves the threat of violence is going to be treated a lot more seriously
- Stone had previously violated a gag order and posted an image of the judge next to cross-hairs... again another reference to violence, as well as an indication that Stone was not treating the proceedings with the proper respect, and showed no remorse
- The Stone recommendation is consistent with the sentences given to others who engages in similar crimes.

So yeah, a 7-9 year sentence recommendation is not excessive at all.

Here is the sentencing recommendation. The details about the factors they applied starts on page 16.

https://www.axios.com/roger-stone-s...aks-0660e47c-dd6f-40e5-ab1d-b298ffc6fd14.html
2) The DOJ says they reached a decision to revise the sentencing recommendation before Trump tweeted.
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First of all, not sure why exactly we should be trusting the DOJ. After all, they were the ones who gave us the whole Mueller report summary which was, by all accounts, wildly inaccurate.

Secondly, even if they decided to revise the sentencing recommendation before the Trump tweet does not mean that Trump didn't contact them earlier in the day to demand the changes.

So unless there's a conspiracy within the DOJ (and not just Barr) to lie about what happened, then no, it cannot be what you're claiming it is.
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You do realize that Trump appointed more than just Barr to the DOJ. He has also appointed a deputy AG (Rosen, a man who had no experience as a prosecutor and who was picked by Barr to be his lapdog), a Solicitor General (Francisco, who had to get an ethics waiver to take the job) and multiple assistant AGs.

Finding a group of like-minded individuals to interfere in the Stone case among all those Trump appointees (many with questionable backgrounds) would not be difficult. This is not a case where you have a bunch of long-term dedicated public servants that Trump and Barr would have to fool. Many are probably just as corrupt as Trump/Barr (or at the very least complicit).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_appointments_by_Donald_Trump#Department_of_Justice
 
Segnosaur said:
...Trump is OK with abandoning an important ally in Asia.
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Only because he doesn't have a clue as to what he's doing. This is the same man who once led the USFL football league in abandoning their successful Spring schedule and go head-to-head with the NFL in the Fall. Two years later they were no more.

I think one group that will suffer from these foreign policy moves will be U.S. business overseas. In addition to abandoning security strategies that have worked well for decades, Trump has undermined the U.S. foreign service. In some of the tougher places in the world, U.S. businesses enjoy defacto protection because local despots and gangsters know Uncle Sam has always been watching and Sammy usually has a lot of local clout.

The irony is, like so many of the people who support him, Trump nit picks policies to death. He never seems to realize he has the freedom and security to bloviate because these policies have helped the U.S. secure the standing and security we enjoy today. Trump is supremely confident that pretty much no matter what he does, the situation can't get worse, only better.

That's where he's stops being a blowhard and becomes a really dangerous amateur playing with fire in a flammable world.
 
newyorkguy said:
Only because he doesn't have a clue as to what he's doing. This is the same man who once led the USFL football league in abandoning their successful Spring schedule and go head-to-head with the NFL in the Fall. Two years later they were no more.

I think one group that will suffer from these foreign policy moves will be U.S. business overseas. In addition to abandoning security strategies that have worked well for decades, Trump has undermined the U.S. foreign service. In some of the tougher places in the world, U.S. businesses enjoy defacto protection because local despots and gangsters know Uncle Sam has always been watching and Sammy usually has a lot of local clout.

The irony is, like so many of the people who support him, Trump nit picks policies to death. He never seems to realize he has the freedom and security to bloviate because these policies have helped the U.S. secure the standing and security we enjoy today. Trump is supremely confident that pretty much no matter what he does, the situation can't get worse, only better.

That's where he's stops being a blowhard and becomes a really dangerous amateur playing with fire in a flammable world.
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Incapable of learning.
Incapable of admitting an error.
Incapable of ignoring insults and slights.
Incapable of following the advice of experts.
Incapable of admitting others know more about a subject than he does.
Incapable of seeing any relationship as other than transactional.
Incapable of weighing evidence objectively.
Easily duped by flattery.
Addicted to attention.
Skilled at manipulating TV audiences.
Lacking any moral compass or ethical foundation.


It is difficult to imagine a worse set of traits in a 21st Century President.
 
Oh, Town Hall...

"Time for Trump to Get his Godfather On"

"With Democrat dreams of a soft coup now a heap of smoldering wreckage, and no need to play Mr. Nice Guy to please prissy softcons on Capitol Hill, President Trump is finally free to channel his inner Michael Corleone. It’s about time to re-christen Don Jr., and use that opportunity to take out the heads of the five families."

https://townhall.com/columnists/kur...r-trump-to-get-his-godfather-on-n2561014?1120
 
Cain said:
Oh, Town Hall...



"Time for Trump to Get his Godfather On"



"With Democrat dreams of a soft coup now a heap of smoldering wreckage, and no need to play Mr. Nice Guy to please prissy softcons on Capitol Hill, President Trump is finally free to channel his inner Michael Corleone. It’s about time to re-christen Don Jr., and use that opportunity to take out the heads of the five families."



https://townhall.com/columnists/kur...r-trump-to-get-his-godfather-on-n2561014?1120
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Is that a parody site?
 
Cain said:
Oh, Town Hall...

"Time for Trump to Get his Godfather On"

"With Democrat dreams of a soft coup now a heap of smoldering wreckage, and no need to play Mr. Nice Guy to please prissy softcons on Capitol Hill, President Trump is finally free to channel his inner Michael Corleone. It’s about time to re-christen Don Jr., and use that opportunity to take out the heads of the five families."

https://townhall.com/columnists/kur...r-trump-to-get-his-godfather-on-n2561014?1120
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Read the whole article assuming it was parody. Turns out it's serious. Seriously unhinged.
 
It answers one burning question at least.

Trump already tossed mealy-mouthed ambassador Gordon Sondland out on his Nadler. Then military*Twitter*started buzzing with delight – well, not Blue Falcon Twitter but the one with vets who aren’t half-stepping weasels – at the news of*That’s*Lieutenant Colonel*to You Bratwurst*and his brother Other That’s*Lieutenant Colonel*to You Bratwurst being marched out of the West Wing with their all stuff, probably mostly Doritos and Mounds bars, in bankers’ boxes. About time – these doofuses may fool the establishment civilians but not the vets. We all served with their likes, and the fact these guys get celebrated by our feckless elite is not unrelated to the fact that our military has not decisively won a war in 30 years.
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Trump Tweets

Now it looks like the fore person in the jury, in the Roger Stone case, had significant bias. Add that to everything else, and this is not looking good for the “Justice” Department. @foxandfriends @FoxNews

“Deven Nunes predicts that more examples of Mueller team misconduct will be revealed in coming weeks.”
@seanhannity @FoxNews
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Now it looks like the fore person in the jury, in the Roger Stone case, had significant bias. Add that to everything else, and this is not looking good for the “Justice” Department. @foxandfriends @FoxNews

“Deven Nunes predicts that more examples of Mueller team misconduct will be revealed in coming weeks.”
@seanhannity @FoxNews
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Countdown until Trump doxes a juror.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

Jake Gibson
@JakeBGibson
The DOJ is changing its sentencing recommendation for Roger Stone, according to a Senior DOJ official.
“The Department finds seven to nine years extreme, excessive and grossly disproportionate," the source said, adding the DOJ will clarify its position on sentencing later today

Michael Coudrey
@MichaelCoudrey
BREAKING: 4 corrupt prosecutors who worked closely with the fraudulent Mueller investigation resigned from the Roger Stone case, with one resigning from the Department of Justice.
Jonathan Kravis - Resigned from DOJ Aaron Zelinsky, Adam Jed, Michael Marando: Resigned from case
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Surely that is libellous?
 
Cain said:
Oh, Town Hall...



"Time for Trump to Get his Godfather On"



"With Democrat dreams of a soft coup now a heap of smoldering wreckage, and no need to play Mr. Nice Guy to please prissy softcons on Capitol Hill, President Trump is finally free to channel his inner Michael Corleone. It’s about time to re-christen Don Jr., and use that opportunity to take out the heads of the five families."



https://townhall.com/columnists/kur...r-trump-to-get-his-godfather-on-n2561014?1120
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Your Poeing just isn't as good as it was, you used to always have a thread of believability running through your parodies.....
 
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