Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

[a_unique_person]

After moments of consideration, I propose a new rule of thumb, akin to Godwin's Law: The Law of Trump's Accusation Farts



"Whenever Trump makes an accusation against some one, he is also guilty of that same thing. In other words, he who smelt it has also dealt it."



The only known exception is that Trump was never born in Kenya.



I'm open to feedback/modifications.

Our was he? Let's demand proof he wasn't.

 

[a_unique_person]

Trump Tweets

Fake News @CNN and MSDNC have not surprisingly refused to talk about my record setting number of voters in New Hampshire (and in Iowa). That’s why they are poorly rated Fake News! I will win both states in November.

Congratulations to Attorney General Bill Barr for taking charge of a case that was totally out of control and perhaps should not have even been brought. Evidence now clearly shows that the Mueller Scam was improperly brought & tainted. Even Bob Mueller lied to Congress!

Two months in jail for a Swamp Creature, yet 9 years recommended for Roger Stone (who was not even working for the Trump Campaign). Gee, that sounds very fair! Rogue prosecutors maybe? The Swamp! @foxandfriends @TuckerCarlson

@dagenmcdowell, “Every Democrat is running to raise taxes. She (Pocahontas) lied about her ethnicity, that was her problem.” @MariaBartiromo
So true Dagen!

I would like to see him have Mueller charged for lying to Congress.

 

[Ladewig]

Not sure that's a good idea. It might make the Democrats look desperate.

In any event, now the focus should be on the election, and making sure that it's won by a good enough margin that Trump can't convince those on the fence that it was illegitimate and break US democracy.

No, I'm saying exactly what I said.

Ok. Perhaps I am wrong.

You are saying that there are people who will believe POTUS’s claim of voter fraud if the election is very close, but will not believe his claims of voter fraud if there is a landslide. And you are assuming that there are enough of these people that they could make a difference in what happens in the immediate aftermath of a Dem win.

How many people fall into this category?

 

[thaiboxerken]

I see we are in step 1 of the formula of Trump defense. It won't be too long until we are at the point where Trumpanzees will say "well, he did it, but that's okay"...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1227561237782855680?s=20

Trump Tweets: Congratulations to Attorney General Bill Barr for taking charge of a case that was totally out of control and perhaps should not have even been brought. Evidence now clearly shows that the Mueller Scam was improperly brought & tainted. Even Bob Mueller lied to Congress!


I see this tweet has already been quoted. Is it still just a conspiracy theory? Is it time to admit Trump did it and then defend the action now?

 

[Sideroxylon]

Then what should we do?
You keep on screaming for Americans to do something, but don't tell us what, from a pragmatic point of view, we can do.

Oh well.

 

[Segnosaur]

Well, at least we know Stubby McBonespurs has his priorities right...

Badgers? Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' Badgers!

From: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-asked-reince-priebus-about-wisconsin-badgers-2020-2
When Reince Priebus was the White House chief of staff, President Donald Trump repeatedly asked him whether badgers, the state animal of Priebus' home state of Wisconsin, are "mean to people," how they "work," and how aggressive they can get. That's according to "Sinking in the Swamp: How Trump's Minions and Misfits Poisoned Washington," a new book by the Daily Beast reporters Lachlan Markay and Asawin Suebsaeng....Trump would often "waste Priebus's time" during briefings about foreign and domestic policy by pelting him with questions about badgers...

Well, at least Trump didn't propose building a wall around Wisconsin to keep all the badgers in. (Although since they voted for Trump in 2016, I guess it wouldn't be that big of a loss.)

You know, if it were any other president, you would think this is a joke article. But with Trump, it does sound extremely plausible.

 

[Galaxie]

Well, at least Trump didn't propose building a wall around Wisconsin to keep all the badgers in. (Although since they voted for Trump in 2016, I guess it wouldn't be that big of a loss.)

Harsh, but fair

 

[CapelDodger]

If the sentence recommendation is disproportionate to the crime, then why would it need to go any higher than the charging attorneys' immediate supervisors to get changed?

Lets talk about this case, not hypotheticals.

Those immediate supervisors should change it, if it's a bad recommendation.

No doubt. In this particular case the chain of command is Trump-Barr-Timothy Shea (acting US attorney in DC). Shea is a former aide of Barr, put in place recently by the very same Barr.

So even supposing Trump is willing to order Barr to do it and Barr is willing to follow that order, that still wouldn't mean it actually happened that way.

But it did, didn't it? Your man Trump has been praising Barr for taking control of the case. He's not shy about it. Why are you?

Do you have an argument for why the sentence recommendation was typical for the convicted crime?

The sentence recommendation was in regard to this particular case, and was regarded as appropriate by the prosecutors. They are clearly in a position to judge what the typical sentence for witness interference and obstruction of justice is. Being lawyers they'll have the necessary books to hand.

 

[Cain]

As a layperson, I do not have the faintest idea of what is "fair" for this kind of trial. Rationally, all I can do is trust in Trump.

 

[dudalb]

You could convict him on the first day after the Senate flipped m

You would need two thirds to do that, and I doubt the Senate would flip that much.....

 

[Trebuchet]

I would like to see him have Mueller charged for lying to Congress.

So would he.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweeted

Lots of endorsements for candidates who all love your great law enforcement officers, the military, 'Vets' the wall and who will protect your second amendment.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Ending surprise medical billing moving ahead in Congress! Thanks to Ways & Means and Education/Labor Committees for your work on Bills to protect patients and end medical bill ripoffs! Work with Energy & Commerce, HELP committees to send BIPARTISAN bill to my desk!

 

[thaiboxerken]

You would need two thirds to do that, and I doubt the Senate would flip that much.....

This is true. However, we might get a real impeachment trial in the Senate, one where witnesses and evidence are allowed.

 

[dudalb]

I noted Trump's attack on Romney's Mormon religion.
Wonder if Trump did that partially to cement his support from the Christian Fundies, who do not like the Mormons very much for theological reasons....

 

[Trebuchet]

I noted Trump's attack on Romney's Mormon religion.
Wonder if Trump did that partially to cement his support from the Christian Fundies, who do not like the Mormons very much for theological reasons....

They don't like Catholics very much either, but Trumps got to be careful there because of the makeup of th Supreme Court.

 

[SezMe]

Do you have an argument for why the sentence recommendation was typical for the convicted crime?

Yes:

The filing notes that this recommendation is “consistent with the applicable advisory Guidelines.”

Link

 

[Stacyhs]

The idea that 7-9 years in prison is extreme for someone convicted of such serious crimes as Stone does not hold up. I have seen no justification for the DOJ's claim that 7-9 years would be "extreme and excessive and grossly disproportionate to Stone’s offenses."

Federal sentencing guidelines recommended a range of 87 to 108 months in prison for Stone, according to the prosecutors’ filing.

However, as much as 62 months of that recommended sentence comes from an enhancement under federal guidelines related to witness tampering.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/10/rog...entence-of-up-to-9-years-prosecutors-say.html

Stone was convicted of witness tampering by trying to intimidate Randy Credico into backing up his lies, including threats to kill Credico's dog.

The max sentence for lying to Congress, which Stone did five times, is 5 years in prison for each count.

He faces up to 20 years in prison on the tampering count and up to five years in prison for each of the other charges.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisgeidner/roger-stone-indictment-mueller

 

[Segnosaur]

I noted Trump's attack on Romney's Mormon religion.
Wonder if Trump did that partially to cement his support from the Christian Fundies, who do not like the Mormons very much for theological reasons....

I wonder if that might cause trump problems in Utah. He did win the state in 2016, but with less than 50% of the vote. (Granted it was a 3 way split, with an independent candidate from Utah doing quite well, but it shows Utah voters are willing to deviate from the Republicans.

Could attacking the Mormon religion put Utah in play? Probably not, but nice to think about.

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[Segnosaur]

The idea that 7-9 years in prison is extreme for someone convicted of such serious crimes as Stone does not hold up. I have seen no justification for the DOJ's claim that 7-9 years would be "extreme and excessive and grossly disproportionate to Stone’s offenses."




https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/10/rog...entence-of-up-to-9-years-prosecutors-say.html

Stone was convicted of witness tampering by trying to intimidate Randy Credico into backing up his lies, including threats to kill Credico's dog.

The max sentence for lying to Congress, which Stone did five times, is 5 years in prison for each count.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisgeidner/roger-stone-indictment-mueller

Plus don't forget, prior to the trial he violated a gag order (and posted an image of the judge with crosshairs behind her).

That illustrates that stone was unrepentant and disrespectful of the whole legal process.

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