Time for the Dems to Centralize, around a Centrist

rockysmith76

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They need an Electable Candidate, as well to marginalize the Lefties to their own party where they can fade into irrelevance with their outdated and uninspired platform.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
Hmm. For some reason I don't really think you have the Democrats best interests in mind here.
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You want Trump gone you need the most electable, and you need to gather round one of the pack soon. A Centrist has the best chance, lefties are doomed the way of McGovern.
 
Democrats ran the Uber-Centrist last time. Didn't work.

As far as the electability argument goes, our current President is a draft-dodging, serial-adulterer, reality TV star with a string of failed businesses and more questionable foreign entanglements than a particularly implausible Bond villain.

The "electability" argument is stupid. Trump has proven that for all time.
 
Random said:
Democrats ran the Uber-Centrist last time. Didn't work.

As far as the electability argument goes, our current President is a draft-dodging, serial-adulterer, reality TV star with a string of failed businesses and more questionable foreign entanglements than a particularly implausible Bond villain.

The "electability" argument is stupid. Trump has proven that for all time.
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They ran the one with baggage, too much of it. And blaming the other side accomplishes nothing for one's own.
 
The problem is getting the other centrists to drop out. Why would Buttigieg or Klobuchar or Bloomberg quit?
 
rockysmith76 said:
They ran the one with baggage, too much of it. And blaming the other side accomplishes nothing for one's own.
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Not sure what you mean by "blaming the other side". Trump was, by any reasonable standard you care to go by, viewed as unelectable. He was viewed as unelectable all through the GOP primaries as he consistently got more votes than any of the "electable" candidates and drove all of them into the ground. He was viewed as "unelectable" in the matchup with Clinton, with poll after poll telling us that he was doomed and the American people would never elect an unelectable person like him. And he was elected.

"Electability", a vague, undefinable standard that we are all told is vital to a candidate, is just a way for our corporate media to tell us common folks who is and is not an acceptable candidate to them.
 
Random said:
Not sure what you mean by "blaming the other side". Trump was, by any reasonable standard you care to go by, viewed as unelectable. He was viewed as unelectable all through the GOP primaries as he consistently got more votes than any of the "electable" candidates and drove all of them into the ground. He was viewed as "unelectable" in the matchup with Clinton, with poll after poll telling us that he was doomed and the American people would never elect an unelectable person like him. And he was elected.

"Electability", a vague, undefinable standard that we are all told is vital to a candidate, is just a way for our corporate media to tell us common folks who is and is not an acceptable candidate to them.
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Very simple: Blah blah blah because Trump.... The GOP will not challenge him with another so a leftie isn't going to cut it. And it's a good opportunity to get those people off to the margins where they belong.
 
Random said:
Democrats ran the Uber-Centrist last time. Didn't work.
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That one had a ton of baggage and wasn't likable, and still won the popular vote. They could run an uber-centrist again and just make sure that they visit Wisconsin a couple of times.
 
rockysmith76 said:
name the long proud list of Liberal Leftie Dem Socialist American Presidents, I'll wait....
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Roosevelt for starters. Of course, he didn't call himself "Socialist", he just passed Socialist policies under a Democratic banner. Roosevelt recognized that unrestrained capitalism was so bad for America, that it made a lot of people think Communism might be worth a shot. By passing Socialist (but not Communist) policies, he was able to improve the lot of the average American to the point where Communism lost its appeal.
 
Random said:
Democrats ran the Uber-Centrist last time. Didn't work.
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Actually, lets consider a few things about the 2016 election, shall we?

Yes, for the most part Clinton was a 'centrist' for much of her political life. But, thanks to Sanders, the Democratic party had been dragged to the left to a certain degree. (For example, Clinton ended up supporting the $15 minimum wage, and opposed the TPP, positions that differed from earlier in her political career.)

Now, compare that to Trump... Yes, Trump is a racist xenophobe bigot. Yes, many/most of his policies were either lies, or incredibly vague. But, he claimed he was against the Iraq war. He claimed he wasn't going to touch medicare/medicaid/social security. He claimed he would protect LGBTQ rights.

An anti-war, pro-medicare/social security republican who is in favor of gay rights? Normally people would view such a person as a moderate.

If you were gullible enough to believe him, Trump was in many ways as close to the political center as Clinton. (Again, I'm not saying Trump was honest or trustworthy, only that the positions he espoused were politically moderate.)
 
Random said:
Roosevelt for starters. Of course, he didn't call himself "Socialist", he just passed Socialist policies under a Democratic banner. Roosevelt recognized that unrestrained capitalism was so bad for America, that it made a lot of people think Communism might be worth a shot. By passing Socialist (but not Communist) policies, he was able to improve the lot of the average American to the point where Communism lost its appeal.
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the only one.
 
rockysmith76 said:
They need an Electable Candidate, as well to marginalize the Lefties to their own party where they can fade into irrelevance with their outdated and uninspired platform.
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I agree that a moderate candidate probably provides the best chance for victory. (Although I don't agree with the idea of 'marginalizing' lefties. I think they do add something to the political debate within the Democrats, and having them split into their own party would be a strategic nightmare.)

The problem is the Democrats don't really have any good options when it comes to centrists anymore:

- Biden's campaign is struggling, and is prone to gaffs
- Buttigieg is doing very well, but I am concerned about his lack of experience in national politics
- Not sure I like the idea of Bloomberg taking over, since it has the stigma of 'rich guy buying the presidency'
- Klobuchar is doing better than I had expected, but seems to have troubles picking up African American support
- Steyer is unlikely to last much longer

I liked Booker but he didn't even make it to the primaries.
 
carlitos said:
That one had a ton of baggage and wasn't likable, and still won the popular vote. They could run an uber-centrist again and just make sure that they visit Wisconsin a couple of times.
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Surprise;the Left wing of the Democratic party wants to trash centralists and moderates.
 
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