Time for the Dems to Centralize, around a Centrist

Segnosaur said:
I agree that a moderate candidate probably provides the best chance for victory. (Although I don't agree with the idea of 'marginalizing' lefties. I think they do add something to the political debate within the Democrats, and having them split into their own party would be a strategic nightmare.)

The problem is the Democrats don't really have any good options when it comes to centrists anymore:

- Biden's campaign is struggling, and is prone to gaffs
- Buttigieg is doing very well, but I am concerned about his lack of experience in national politics
- Not sure I like the idea of Bloomberg taking over, since it has the stigma of 'rich guy buying the presidency'
- Klobuchar is doing better than I had expected, but seems to have troubles picking up African American support
- Steyer is unlikely to last much longer

I liked Booker but he didn't even make it to the primaries.
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Biden is also superold. That doesn't seem to be a problem for the party's left but it does for the middle.

N. Carolina will be really interesting. None of the three candidates that have pulled ahead so far have gotten more than single digit support among African Americans. Biden might be back in the running.

carlitos said:
That one had a ton of baggage and wasn't likable, and still won the popular vote. They could run an uber-centrist again and just make sure that they visit Wisconsin a couple of times.
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Yep.
 
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ahhell said:
Biden is also superold. That doesn't seem to be a problem for the party's left but it does for the middle.

N. Carolina will be really interesting. None of the three candidates that have pulled ahead so far have gotten more than single digit support among African Americans. Biden might be back in the running.

Yep.
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Bernie isnt getting any younger.
 
rockysmith76 said:
trash the other side to avoid the issue at hand.
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I was responding to a statement. The left has infinitely more representatives that would be considered moderate or centerist. In that they have more than 0. The GOP doesn't even have 1. All of the GOP is currently on the extreme ends of the spectrum, ignorantly so.
 
rockysmith76 said:
Bernie isnt getting any younger.
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Which is why I said, "that doesn't seem to be a problem with the party's left..." Both Sanders and Warren are quite old, the only reason nobody talks about Warren being old is that she's usually standing next to Biden and/or Sanders. This assessment is in part anecdotal. My more center left associates in real life often complain about Biden being so old, my more lefty left associates never seem to mention Sanders or Warrens age.

Regardless, neither Sanders nor Warren have made a habit of 50 year old pop culture references. Its as though Biden is trying to make sure nobody forgets exactly how old he is.

One of the differences that probably matter a lot, is that there isn't a youngish leftwing alternative to Warren or Sanders but there are youngish center alternatives to Biden.
 
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carlitos said:
That one had a ton of baggage and wasn't likable, and still won the popular vote. They could run an uber-centrist again and just make sure that they visit Wisconsin a couple of times.
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If conspiracy theories and false accusations in the right wing media count as “baggage” then any Democratic candidate will have “baggage” no matter where they are on the political spectrum.
 
Keep seeing these sentiments from pundits like Max Booth and others. Many of them politically homeless Never Trumpers.

To this I say:

It sucks that the Republicans so mismanaged their party and had it taken over by a demagogue. The Democratic party isn't interested in accommodating irrelevant, powerless Republicans. Get on board on our terms or kick rocks. We don't need ya.

Running someone like Bloomberg is the best bet for fracturing the Democratic party into irrelevancy and guaranteeing Trump another term. This boat is steering left, not right.
 
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rockysmith76 said:
name the long proud list of Liberal Leftie Dem Socialist American Presidents, I'll wait....
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Official GOP List of Commie-Socialist Dem Presidents:
1) Every single Dem since 1932
2) Ronald Reagan (as of 2016 rules amendment)
3) George H. W. Bush (see no.2)
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Keep seeing these sentiments from pundits like Max Booth and others. Many of them politically homeless Never Trumpers.

To this I say:

It sucks that the Republicans so mismanaged their party and had it taken over by a demagogue. The Democratic party isn't interested in accommodating irrelevant, powerless Republicans. Get on board on our terms or kick rocks. We don't need ya.

Running someone like Bloomberg is the best bet for fracturing the Democratic party into irrelevancy and guaranteeing Trump another term. This boat is steering left, not right.
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Yeah, the Bernie Bros really want to reach out to people not on the political left...……..
 
I don't think a serious progressive couldn't win in any circumstances, but based on Iowa and New Hampshire's turnout, I don't think this is the year.

Turnout is approximately where it was in 2016 despite a much more interesting race. Bernie's revolution isn't happening.

The centrists should collude and consolidate their lane down to one TODAY. If Bernie gets a plurality overall, and a majority of delegates representing centrists pick someone other than Bernie, it nearly locks in a Trump reelection.
 
dudalb said:
Yeah, the Bernie Bros really want to reach out to people not on the political left...……..
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You've convinced me. Let's nominate Romney. The anti-Trump situation means it doesn't really matter what the Dems want, so let's just turn the party in Republican Party #2.

The party doesn't have to sell its soul to beat Trump. We shouldn't give these half-baked arguments from Republican ghouls the time of day.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
You've convinced me. Let's nominate Romney. The anti-Trump situation means it doesn't really matter what the Dems want, so let's just turn the party in Republican Party #2.

The party doesn't have to sell its soul to beat Trump. We shouldn't give these half-baked arguments from Republican ghouls the time of day.
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SO all Republicans are evil..including those who left the party because they can't stand Trump?
And I am not sure the soul of the Democratic Party is as far to the left as you thnk it is...
 
d4m10n said:
n = 1 :rolleyes:

Dems won with a centrist unifying figure in 1992, 1996, 2008, & 2016.

In my entire adult life, they have neve won any other way.

Relatedly, here is a test case from across the pond:

www.twitter.com/socialism21/status/1154479972741988353
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I think you mean 2012 instead of 2016.
But point well taken.]
I just think, even with the dislike of Trump, the Americans are ready to go as far to the left as the Berniebros think it is....
 
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