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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 3

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
That's the context in which it was brought up.
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Well, I think it's a hopeful sign, but it's certainly not a guarantee.



I don't agree, but I think it'd just get into us slicing up the data in various ways, hence my previous comment. The point is that it's not really a "blue tsunami" which signals the end of Trump.
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Fair enough.
 
JPrometheus44 said:
We don't have a king in this country. Go back to Russia and commence licking boots, bootlicker.
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Your first post is to insult a forum member? Uncalled for. ThePrestige has many valued insights he contributes. So, perhaps back-off and try again.
 
Sideroxylon said:
It seems America has taken its Democracy for granted. Now is the time to stand up against the attack on democracy. If you let all this pass in the hope an election will ouster this gang of thieves and vandals, and they win it will be a rubber stamping of a new order.
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How do we go about this? Take it to the street? Civil war?

The system/society is irreparably broken, imo of course. I'm not even able to imagine a way forward that's plausible now that there's a robust alternate reality that half the country subscribes to. (At least to such an extent that they continue to support this nutcase.)
 
Lurch said:
I see Vindman's position as more working for the nation, not a man. But Trump of course demands personal loyalty.

What you're essentially suggesting is that only members of the Party in power should be working for the State. Smacks of the situation to be found in undemocratic systems.
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No one takes an oath to the President. They take an oath to the people to preserve and protect them and the Constitution.
 
varwoche said:
How do we go about this? Take it to the street? Civil war?

The system/society is irreparably broken, imo of course. I'm not even able to imagine a way forward that's plausible now that there's a robust alternate reality that half the country subscribes to. (At least to such an extent that they continue to support this nutcase.)
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Wait, there are non-violent actions I have imagined. Such as (1) mass refusal to pay income tax and (2) mass relocation of the resistance to purple states. "Mass" is the key word and the key challenge.

Add one more, not that I necessarily endorse: Roe v Wade undone via constitutional amendment, leaving abortion to the states. In return, constitutional amendment that eliminates the electoral college and gerrymandering.
 
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varwoche said:
Wait, there are non-violent actions I have imagined. Such as (1) mass refusal to pay income tax and (2) mass relocation of the resistance to purple states. "Mass" is the key word and the key challenge.
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It would be rather difficult for most people to refuse to pay income tax since people working for wages tend to get income tax deduced automatically by their employer.

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Segnosaur said:
It would be rather difficult for most people to refuse to pay income tax since people working for wages tend to get income tax deduced automatically by their employer.

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Off the top of my head: (1) A lot of people still owe taxes after withholding (2) everyone adds a few faux dependents (3) self-employed income and cap gains aren't withheld from.

Here's a simpler action: mass divestment of stock holdings, in addition to...?
 
varwoche said:
How do we go about this? Take it to the street? Civil war?

The system/society is irreparably broken, imo of course. I'm not even able to imagine a way forward that's plausible now that there's a robust alternate reality that half the country subscribes to. (At least to such an extent that they continue to support this nutcase.)
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Oh well. America was a nice idea.
 
theprestige said:
If you come at the king, you better not miss.

Nobody should expect to keep their job after trying and failing to get their boss fired. To be honest, I'm not sure why anyone would want to. You'd think Vindmann would have turned in his resignation as soon as the Senate finished voting. Rather than keep working for a President he doesn't believe should hold office.
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Did Jerry and get his boss fired or did he testify to his observations under oath? If the latter looks like getting his boss fired, that is on the boss.
 
Indeed.
When Trump fires people for doing their job and upholding their oath to the Constitution isn't another case of corrupt abuse of power.
 
Interesting take. Do you also expect and want whistleblowers to be immediately fired?

Sideroxylon said:
Oh well. America was a nice idea.
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If it does indeed go down, it's had a good run. Oldest democracy in the world. Saw the end of slavery, survived a civil war, acted as a beacon for the rest of the world for a long time. The glory days are past, but if it survives Trump, I suppose someone could, well, make it great again.
 
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Stacyhs said:
No. You are not correct.

Accordingly, it is within the president's power to fire any advisor.

As I said, Trump does not have the power to fire anyone from the military which is why Vindman and his brother remain members of the military.
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I guess we'll just have to go with different definitions of the word "fire" then.

It usually means termination of contract of employment.

That didn't happen.
 
acbytesla said:
Who are you talking to?

Do you really think Colonel Vindman or his brother are looking for a book deal? These are career military men dedicated to serving their country.
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And they can continue to do so. They are still members of the military. They still have their rank.
 
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