2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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dudalb said:
I know I am going to get hell for saying this but..the behavior of some..not all...of the Bernie Bros is pretty similar to that of the Trump supporters: a incredible ability to live in their own reality.
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Well, Trump got elected, so maybe that’s not such a bad thing after all.

That said, wasn’t the previous criticism that it was Clinton fans living in the bubble, rather than Trump fans?
 
Oh look, the DNC took a bribe from Bloomberg so they will change the rules so he can be in the debates.

DNC shooting itself in the foot again.

**** the DNC
 
It seems to me that the best thing a Democrat President could do at this point is to push the envelope on what a President can do unilaterally, in opposition to Congress, in violation of laws, in obstruction of justice and in rigging elections: do everything Trump did, but more.
Just be a bit smarter about it, leaving less evidence.

That seems to be the only way to get Republicans to take the Separation of Power seriously, regardless of who is in the White House.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It seems to me that the best thing a Democrat President could do at this point is to push the envelope on what a President can do unilaterally, in opposition to Congress, in violation of laws, in obstruction of justice and in rigging elections: do everything Trump did, but more.
Just be a bit smarter about it, leaving less evidence.

That seems to be the only way to get Republicans to take the Separation of Power seriously, regardless of who is in the White House.
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No. You're confusing giving them legitimate grounds to use nice justifications to condemn Democrats with them actually caring about the principles that they're invoking to condemn Democrats. The official stance of the Republican leaders for waaay too long had has nothing to do with upholding the law, the Constitution, or actually helping others and a lot to do with "F U, suckers!"
 
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No. You're confusing giving them legitimate grounds to use nice justifications to condemn Democrats with them actually caring about the principles that they're invoking to condemn Democrats. The official stance of the Republican leaders for waaay too long had has nothing to do with upholding the law, the Constitution, or actually helping others and a lot to do with "F U, suckers!"
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that is indeed the current state of affairs.

But it might change their mind when it is them who have to fight the administration for every inch in the Courts and Congress.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It seems to me that the best thing a Democrat President could do at this point is to push the envelope on what a President can do unilaterally, in opposition to Congress, in violation of laws, in obstruction of justice and in rigging elections: do everything Trump did, but more.
Just be a bit smarter about it, leaving less evidence.

That seems to be the only way to get Republicans to take the Separation of Power seriously, regardless of who is in the White House.
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In other words, a second Obama.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The "Bernie is not a Democrat" attack strikes a bit hollow

If Bernie is not a Democrat, then neither are his many supporters. Does the establishment really want them to vote 3rd party?
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A) democrat isn't determined by who you support, but is self identity

B) this only makes sense if democrats don't want non democrats voting for them.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Biden spent over one million dollars on private jets in the last 3 months of 2019.

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elec...-dollars-private-jets-last-three-months-2019/
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Same criticism has been heard before.

The airline industry doesn't run midwest cow-town to east coast harbor-town direct flights. The campaign schedule they run requires such travel so they book charter flights.

This trope is meant to suggest guzzling Cristal and munching on caviar while receiving a pedicure type of affluent disregard.

It would cost way more in cash and time while producing a greater carbon footprint to fly commercial through air traffic hubs.
 
varwoche said:
To weigh these options properly, me must also weigh the possibilities of what A vs B might actually be able to achieve in office.
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Odds that Bernie (or whomever) can achieve...

Medicare for all: 0%
Free college for all: 0%
Housing for all: 0%
 
The_Animus said:
Oh look, the DNC took a bribe from Bloomberg so they will change the rules so he can be in the debates.

DNC shooting itself in the foot again.

**** the DNC
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I'm kind of on the fence about that.

Yes, they appear to be changing the rules to allow Bloomberg to participate. However:

- He still would need to meet other criteria (such as reaching a certain threshold in the polls) to make it into the debates

- Like it or not, he MAY be a serious candidate, and democrats might want to be able to compare him to Biden/Sanders/Warren on a more direct level. If he performs really poorly it may end his campaign right there.
 
I think some people here really want to read everybody out of the Democratic party who is not a "Progressive".
Sort of a Bizarro version of the Tea Party.
 
Segnosaur said:
I'm kind of on the fence about that.

Yes, they appear to be changing the rules to allow Bloomberg to participate. However:

- He still would need to meet other criteria (such as reaching a certain threshold in the polls) to make it into the debates

- Like it or not, he MAY be a serious candidate, and democrats might want to be able to compare him to Biden/Sanders/Warren on a more direct level. If he performs really poorly it may end his campaign right there.
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If Bloomberg is a serious candidate he should be able to meet the original requirements just like every other candidate had to. The DNC giving him special treatment and looking for ways to stop Sanders at the convention just feeds the idea that they are corrupt and the rules don't apply to the rich. If Bloomberg gets the nomination this way I think you'll have some people staying home or voting third party and potentially having a repeat of 2016.

It's just a dumb move
 
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dudalb said:
I think some people here really want to read everybody out of the Democratic party who is not a "Progressive".
Sort of a Bizarro version of the Tea Party.
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Take a look in the mirror, bro. I have no problem with you voting for who you wish to in the primary, but evidently you have a problem with those of us voting for Sanders. You are the one being exclusionary.
 
dudalb said:
I think some people here really want to read everybody out of the Democratic party who is not a "Progressive".
Sort of a Bizarro version of the Tea Party.
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I read your posts as a sort of centrist porn.

Radicals to the left of you, radicals to the right of you. Anyone not in line must be on either camp in some way. Even posters in this subforum who are very much in your moderate centrist camp; when they make even a post or two about Trump in neutral terms you almost want them to affirm your fleeting suspicions that they are secretly on team MAGA. :boggled:
 
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