2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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JoeMorgue said:
And there's the problem.

If Trump loses in 2020 you can all do "I toldayaso" dance on my face.

If (when) Trump wins in 2020 we're all going to busy with other things to worry about who was right and like I keep saying I don't get nearly the joy out of the "Ha I was right and you were wrong!" thing to override things I don't want to be wrong about, a fault that it looks like a lot of people don't share.

I feel like that scene in 13 Days when Kennedy is arguing with the Joint Chiefs about whether or not that Soviets are going to launch a first strike and Ken O'Donnell "Well they've got one big advantage. If they're right there's gonna be no one around to tell them."

I don't want Trump in 2020. I don't have a goal above that. I don't care how heartwarming or uplifting the story is.
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Exaggerations and hyperbole do not emphasize your points, they just make you sound like a drama queen. Trump is president now and has been for three years. Has bad stuff occurred? Yes. Has the apocalypse happened? No.
 
Belz... said:
You're all dancing around the real question: would YOU, specifically, prefer to vote for (A) a losing candidate you agreed with or (B) for a meh candidate who'll win?

Just A or B will do.
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I don't think that's the real question. It assumes foreknowledge of who will win or lose. For example, I'm sure many in 2016 thought they were voting for a meh candidate who'll win but she ended up being a meh candidate who lost. You can't pretend it's a given that this candidate will win or that one will lose.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Exaggerations and hyperbole do not emphasize your points, they just make you sound like a drama queen. Trump is president now and has been for three years. Has bad stuff occurred? Yes. Has the apocalypse happened? No.
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So what you're with thePrestige now? Trump is our punishment for being dramatic and hyperbolic?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
If Trump loses and isn't instantly drowned in and beggared by lawsuits, he will run for 2024 straight away, and be a constant presence on FOX.
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Wait until the public gets hold of all of the documentation in the aftermath and people start to talk to cover their own arses. That **** might even face criminal proceedings.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Well the primaries that Trump had no chance of winning. Then the election that Trump had no chance of winning. Then the very first investigation into Russian interference that was gong to get Trump impeached within his first year in office, then the Mueller report, then the impeachment that "forever stained Trump", now the Senate trial which would need 52 fewer elephants to qualify as a circus, then on to the next election which Trump will probably win.
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Sorry, I've only witnessed you bitching about it since after the 2016 election. And since you were talking specifically about liberals/progressives splitting the Democratic party away from moderates, I thought we were talking about elections, not investigations. Which brings me back to the fact that the one election we've had since then was a win for liberals/progressives.



Ah yes that "Blue Wave" we got told happened. I did not ignore it, it just didn't happen.
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What do you base that on? Did the Democrats not win the House after all? :(
 
Sideroxylon said:
Yeah, would mean I thought it was inevitable and think you should give up. I don’t. And it was a response to a hypothetical..
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Well you can rest easy. No matter what happens you win.

If they run a mainstream candidate and beat Trump, I give you my world I won't give two tin farts about telling you I told you so.

If they run a progressive candidate and win, you can "I told you so" me until you are happy. The fact that Trump didn't win will still be enough for me.

If they run a mainstream candidate and Trump wins, you can tell me "I told you so" until you feel good enough to briefly forgot that Trump won.

If they run a progressive candidate and Trump wins, I give you my world I won't give two tin farts about telling you I told you so.
 
Belz... said:
You're all dancing around the real question: would YOU, specifically, prefer to vote for (A) a losing candidate you agreed with or (B) for a meh candidate who'll win?

Just A or B will do.
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You didnt ask me, but...

The question itself assumes something I don't think is true. I believe a "meh" candidate is not more likely to win.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Well you can rest easy. No matter what happens you win.

If they run a mainstream candidate and beat Trump, I give you my world I won't give two tin farts about telling you I told you so.

If they run a progressive candidate and win, you can "I told you so" me until you are happy. The fact that Trump didn't win will still be enough for me.

If they run a mainstream candidate and Trump wins, you can tell me "I told you so" until you feel good enough to briefly forgot that Trump won.

If they run a progressive candidate and Trump wins, I give you my world I won't give two tin farts about telling you I told you so.
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I absolutely do not care about having one over you in this result. I have been making normative arguments and not playing pundit. I have been clear that choice of a Democrat candidate should be based on vision and policy and not at all on asserted speculation about who is considered more electable.
 
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Distracted1 said:
B, obviously.

like asking if I would prefer an imaginary gourmet meal to an actual cheeseburger.
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Or like asking out the person you love versus settling for one you don't love but is more likely to say yes. Always settle for the lowest star you can reach! That's the key to a happy life: never seek excellence, always settle for a certain adequacy.
 
Okay cards on the table, and everyone be honest.

Is there any of the Democratic Candidates that we can honestly say are on the table* that you, YOU not a hypothetical other voter of any kind, will cause you to either consider voting for another candidate or not voting if they get the nomination?

(*Let's say Biden, Warren, Sanders, Bloomberg, Buttigeign, Yang, Bennet, Gabbard, Klobuchar, Patrick, Steyer which are the 11 that Wikipedia lists as "Actively Campaigning")

Marianne Williamson was the closest I ever got before she dropped out. It would have been real hard to vote for her, chick was straight up full on nutjob.

But no one in the current crop even approaches that level for me.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
Or like asking out the person you love versus settling for one you don't love but is more likely to say yes. Always settle for the lowest star you can reach! That's the key to a happy life: never seek excellence, always settle for a certain adequacy.
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You neglect to consider that ,in your example, if I don't get the one I adore I will be forced to accept one that I loathe.

Always seek the greatest excellence that can be reached
 
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Distracted1 said:
You neglect to consider that ,in your example, if I don't get the one I adore I will be forced to accept one that I loathe.
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So of three possible outcomes one is desirable and two aren't. Your strategy is to deliberately pursue an undesirable outcome? Even if you are successful you've still lost.
 
Distracted1 said:
You neglect to consider that ,in your example, if I don't get the one I adore I will be forced to accept one that I loathe.

Always seek the greatest excellence that can be reached
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♪ If you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true? ♫
 
JoeMorgue said:
Okay cards on the table, and everyone be honest.

Is there any of the Democratic Candidates that we can honestly say are on the table* that you, YOU not a hypothetical other voter of any kind, will cause you to either consider voting for another candidate or not voting if they get the nomination?

(*Let's say Biden, Warren, Sanders, Bloomberg, Buttigeign, Yang, Bennet, Gabbard, Klobuchar, Patrick, Steyer which are the 11 that Wikipedia lists as "Actively Campaigning")

Marianne Williamson was the closest I ever got before she dropped out. It would have been real hard to vote for her, chick was straight up full on nutjob.

But no one in the current crop even approaches that level for me.
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No, of course not. If the choice is between Trump or any D nominee, the obvious answer is not Trump.

I very much doubt there are very many people who are motivated enough to participate in the D primary that aren't going to end up voting D in the general.

Motivating non-primary voters to vote for the D nominee in the general will be much more important than worrying about some insignificant number of spite voters who feel jilted by the primary. I'm not sure what the point of your question is here.
 
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