2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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Until that point which has been perpetually coming any second now for about 3 years now and when Trump wins in 2020 you guys can all explain to what level of "Oh we're playing 4D Chess 20 steps ahead of him" that is.


"Any second now"? You say this as if it's somehow evidence to support your position, but it completely ignores the fact that major elections occur only every two years. On top of that, the most recent one most certainly does not support your position.

I think you're just a nattering nabob of negativism.
 
That would virtually guarantee Trump in 2020 and Ivanka in 2024. That will teach those Dems a lesson!

The progressives aren't leaving the party to go off to be third party spoilers. They will continue to challenge mainstream dems in primaries. If enough of them are successful, the Dem leadership will have to make room at the table for them or risk irrelevancy.

The Tea Party phenomena is a pretty good example of how this actually happens. Parties change from internal forces all the time.
 
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Then they will be delighted when AOC and her colleagues break into a new Progressive Party and compete for votes. I take it you assume the Democratic party will keep more voters than it loses? I think that's what the Democrat establishment thinks, too. I think they're in for a nasty shock.

That would virtually guarantee Trump in 2020 and Ivanka in 2024. That will teach those Dems a lesson!

Well yeah that's the problem. The warm, comforting joy of getting to say "I told you so" or the childlike glee of watching a group get hoisted by their own petard is nice and all, and like everyone I do love it when it happens, but it's not worth it to me.

Here's an simple objective fact I want every person attempting to run for President on the Democratic Ticket to have carved into their foreheads backwards to they have to read it everytime they look in a mirror.

Only about half of registered Democrats self identify as "liberal."

Democrat and Republican are not pure synonyms for "liberal and conservative."

At some point the DOC decided it was the Progressive Party, not the Democratic or even Liberal Party.

This is a center that cannot hold. They will split the party and the other side that has no problem with both porn star banging Trump and Evangelicals on their side, screw the cause purity anyone on our side is one more piece of power they can bring to bear (to bear or to bare? I always mix up those two) is worth it, will continue to maintain their power.

Yes on a mid to long enough time line the forces of Progressiveness will win, everything from demographics to the simple march of society make it inevitable, but I don't intend to spend the rest of my life watching the Right do as much damage as they can on the way out because the Left wants to pretend it has come down with a sudden onset crippling case of "We're too good to compromise"-itis.
 
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"Any second now"? You say this as if it's somehow evidence to support your position, but it completely ignores the fact that major elections occur only every two years. On top of that, the most recent one most certainly does not support your position.

I think you're just a nattering nabob of negativism.

Okay. I await what the next Jabbian "okay next time and I mean it" excuse will be come November.
 
The progressives aren't leaving the party to go off to be third party spoilers. They will continue to challenge mainstream dems in primaries. If enough of them are successful, the Dem leadership will have to make room at the table for them or risk irrelevancy.

The Tea Party phenomena is a pretty good example of how this actually happens. Parties change from internal forces all the time.
Yes. Although it only takes a handful of third party voters in swing states to make a difference. Just ask Al Gore. (I'm not the poster who introduced the Progressive Party concept btw.)
 
Well yeah that's the problem. The warm, comforting joy of getting to say "I told you so" or the childlike glee of watching a group get hoisted by their own petard is nice and all, and like everyone I do love it when it happens, but it's not worth it to me.

Here's an simple objective fact I want every person attempting to run for President on the Democratic Ticket to have carved into their foreheads backwards to they have to read it everytime they look in a mirror.

Only about half of registered Democrats self identify as "liberal."

Democrat and Republican are not pure synonyms for "liberal and conservative."

At some point the DOC decided it was the Progressive Party, not the Democratic or even Liberal Party.

This is a center that cannot hold. They will split the party and the other side that has no problem with both porn star banging Trump and Evangelicals on their side, screw the cause purity anyone on our side is one more piece of power they can bring to bear (to bear or to bare? I always mix up those two) is worth it, will continue to maintain their power.

Yes on a mid to long enough time line the forces of Progressiveness will win, everything from demographics to the simple march of society make it inevitable, but I don't intend to spend the rest of my life watching the Right do as much damage as they can on the way out because the Left wants to pretend it has come down with a sudden onset crippling case of "We're too good to compromise"-itis.

I disagree. And I find it childish that you insist on projecting emotional motives as the only reason people might disagree with your assessment.
 
Exposed: Peter Schweizer Explains How Warren Built Her Fortune by Aiding Big Corporations She Routinely Rails Against

"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) made millions of dollars through her role in rewriting portions of U.S. bankruptcy law and assisting big corporations in navigating the laws she helped write at the expense of the victims of their practices, Government Accountability Institute (GAI) president and Breitbart News senior contributor Peter Schweizer revealed during a discussion on his book Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America’s Progressive Elite on Breitbart News Daily."

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...big-corporations-she-routinely-rails-against/

In that case you should love her. Maybe she should run as a Republican.
 
Still no weighing of policy. No one gives a **** anymore. Maybe the party should pick really fit looking people. Being really hot has to make you electable, right?
 
Okay. I await what the next Jabbian "okay next time and I mean it" excuse will be come November.


Next?? What was the last?

Again, you ignore 2018. Speaking of elections specifically, somehow you are attempting to cherry pick examples that support your position from the empty set. The single major election we've had since 2016 simply does not support your position.
 
Nice! Exactly. That is the fear/ fear mongering that I am talking about. The fear that boxes people into voting for mediocre politicians who perpetuate an injust and broken system, abandong any striving for the nations lofty founding ideals.

You're all dancing around the real question: would YOU, specifically, prefer to vote for (A) a losing candidate you agreed with or (B) for a meh candidate who'll win?

Just A or B will do.
 
You're all dancing around the real question: would YOU, specifically, prefer to vote for (A) a losing candidate you agreed with or (B) for a meh candidate who'll win?

Just A or B will do.

He's already answered that.

He voted for Hillary in 2016 instead of Bernie and feels "cheated" because Hillary didn't win.
 
Still no weighing of policy. No one gives a **** anymore. Maybe the party should pick really fit looking people. Being really hot has to make you electable, right?
《raises hand ... me me me 》

In my screenplay, space aliens are invading earth with ill intent. The only way they can be defeated is if we unite together. Our petty differences shouldn't matter at this existential moment of truth.

Alas, we're doomed.
 
Next?? What was the last?

Well the primaries that Trump had no chance of winning. Then the election that Trump had no chance of winning. Then the very first investigation into Russian interference that was gong to get Trump impeached within his first year in office, then the Mueller report, then the impeachment that "forever stained Trump", now the Senate trial which would need 52 fewer elephants to qualify as a circus, then on to the next election which Trump will probably win.

Again, you ignore 2018. Speaking of elections specifically, somehow you are attempting to cherry pick examples that support your position from the empty set. The single major election we've had since 2016 simply does not support your position.

Ah yes that "Blue Wave" we got told happened. I did not ignore it, it just didn't happen.
 
You're all dancing around the real question: would YOU, specifically, prefer to vote for (A) a losing candidate you agreed with or (B) for a meh candidate who'll win?

Just A or B will do.

I am an unashamed hopeful idealist. I vote for candidates that will lead us best and spurn scumbags.

Biden would not be a meh candidate for me but a **** one. In a variation of grasping the wrong end of the stick, Turks talk of having to grasp a stick that has **** covering both ends. This is an “iki ucu boklu değnek“ choice.
 
At some point the DOC decided it was the Progressive Party, not the Democratic or even Liberal Party.
When was that point? They ran Republican-lite Hillary Clinton in 2016 and are doing whatever they can to run Republican-lite Joe Biden in 2020.

Meanwhile, Sanders & Biden and Buttigieg & Warren in statistical dead heats. In other words, if Iowa primary is any indication, the party is ~1/3 old guard, 1/3 progressive, and 1/3 undecided.

I see the Democratic Party, and Americans in general, as significantly more progressive than generally appreciated.
 
And there's the problem.

If Trump loses in 2020 you can all do "I toldayaso" dance on my face.

If (when) Trump wins in 2020 we're all going to busy with other things to worry about who was right and like I keep saying I don't get nearly the joy out of the "Ha I was right and you were wrong!" thing to override things I don't want to be right about, a fault that it looks like a lot of people don't share.

I feel like that scene in 13 Days when Kennedy is arguing with the Joint Chiefs about whether or not that Soviets are going to launch a first strike and Ken O'Donnell "Well we've got one big advantage. If they're right we won't be around to hear them say I told ya so."

I don't want Trump in 2020. I don't have a goal above that. I don't care how heartwarming or uplifting the story is.
 
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I am an unashamed hopeful idealist. I vote for candidates that will lead us best and spurn scumbags.

Biden would not be a meh candidate for me but a **** one. In a variation of grasping the wrong end of the stick, Turks talk of having to grasp a stick that has **** covering both ends. This is an “iki ucu boklu değnek“ choice.

Can you answer my question, please?
 
And there's the problem.

If Trump loses in 2020 you can all do "I toldayaso" dance on my face.

If (when) Trump wins in 2020 we're all going to busy with other things to worry about who was right and like I keep saying I don't get nearly the joy out of the "Ha I was right and you were wrong!" thing to override things I don't want to be right about, a fault that it looks like a lot of people don't share.

I feel like that scene in 13 Days when Kennedy is arguing with the Joint Chiefs about whether or not that Soviets are going to launch a first strike and Ken O'Donnell "Well we've got one big advantage. If they're right we won't be around to hear them say I told ya so."

I don't want Trump in 2020. I don't have a goal above that. I don't care how heartwarming or uplifting the story is.

If America votes Trump in after all of this, and those shitweasels in the Senate, you deserve everything that comes to you.
 
If Trump loses and isn't instantly drowned in and beggared by lawsuits, he will run for 2024 straight away, and be a constant presence on FOX.
 
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