2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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I do have a question I'd like to ask (my apologies if I am being redundant and you have already answered this previously--I don't recall seeing it):

This is directed to the people who are strongly condemning/warning against/whatever you wish to call it a Sanders primary win. Segnosaur and dudalb, for example (based on what I have seen).

If Sanders wins the primary, will you vote for him in the general?
 
Sideroxylon said:
If you cannot win an election with a candidate who has been giving clear policy messages of delivering for the working class versus Trump (who here needs no contrasting description) you are ******.
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Problem is that many (most?) people don't vote based on policy ideas. Voting is far, far more emotionally (read: tribal) driven.
 
Sideroxylon said:
I have here expressed a want for honest framing of Sanders and a focus on his policies. The ******** is ramping up but lets not propagate it here, a sceptic’s forum.
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If Bernie is the Dem pick that ******** you cite now will look like a walk in the park in the heat of the race.
 
Cabbage said:
I do have a question I'd like to ask (my apologies if I am being redundant and you have already answered this previously--I don't recall seeing it):

This is directed to the people who are strongly condemning/warning against/whatever you wish to call it a Sanders primary win. Segnosaur and dudalb, for example (based on what I have seen).

If Sanders wins the primary, will you vote for him in the general?
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Of course.
I would guess that no poster in this thread who has expressed concern for who the Dem nominee will ultimately be would respond otherwise.
 
Cabbage said:
The trend that well over 90% of the polls listed have Sanders over Trump.
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To be fair, that's not a "trend" which implies a change over time. What you're citing is a snapshot. Nothing wrong with that except labeling it a "trend".

Cabbage said:
.....In my opinion, there's a strong desire (on both left and right) for non-establishment candidates.
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In 2016 I would have agreed with you. After four years of this Moron-in-Chief, I think the general mood is for solid, run-of-the-mill, establishment president. That's why Biden, who is pretty lackluster, is doing so well.
 
Cabbage said:
I do have a question I'd like to ask (my apologies if I am being redundant and you have already answered this previously--I don't recall seeing it):

This is directed to the people who are strongly condemning/warning against/whatever you wish to call it a Sanders primary win. Segnosaur and dudalb, for example (based on what I have seen).

If Sanders wins the primary, will you vote for him in the general?
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Yes.
 
SezMe said:
To be fair, that's not a "trend" which implies a change over time. What you're citing is a snapshot. Nothing wrong with that except labeling it a "trend".



In 2016 I would have agreed with you. After four years of this Moron-in-Chief, I think the general mood is for solid, run-of-the-mill, establishment president. That's why Biden, who is pretty lackluster, is doing so well.
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I agree. At least in the few States that will actually end up deciding the outcome.
California might be jazzed about a good progressive POTUS, but the "rust belt" just wants to get back to a bland old government that they can ignore. IMO
 
SezMe said:
If Bernie is the Dem pick that ******** you cite now will look like a walk in the park in the heat of the race.
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For sure. Still very disappointed that we are seeing it here from Dem voters. And it will be same for Biden or Warren.
 
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Segnosaur said:
And what he offered was a moderate position on many issues.
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I strongly disagree. Trump didn't offer moderate positions; in fact, he didn't really offer any positions except conservative judges and a Wall. He was a blank slate that that ran on fear: fear of Mexicans, fear of "big government", etc. And he talked like an outsider in a crude way that allowed people to fill in that blank slate with their own fears so they came to see him as one of us.

His so called "policies" had little or nothing to do with his election.
 
SezMe said:
Wow. For ALL of the Trump vs. Dem, the USA polling is a way, way, outlier.
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Is it a poll of their readers? They aren't the most sophisticated segment of the population.

SezMe said:
To be fair, that's not a "trend" which implies a change over time. What you're citing is a snapshot. Nothing wrong with that except labeling it a "trend".



In 2016 I would have agreed with you. After four years of this Moron-in-Chief, I think the general mood is for solid, run-of-the-mill, establishment president. That's why Biden, who is pretty lackluster, is doing so well.
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At this point, I'll vote for anyone who isn't Trump, including the ghost of R. Reagan. Or Jimmy Carter, who's actually eligible and has the advantage of not being dead.
 
SezMe said:
Problem is that many (most?) people don't vote based on policy ideas. Voting is far, far more emotionally (read: tribal) driven.
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Agree. But these skeptic forums are founded on tackling shoddy thinking, even when it appears a Sisyphean task. And when it comes to choosing your national leader the stakes are as high as they get.
 
Cabbage said:
I do have a question I'd like to ask (my apologies if I am being redundant and you have already answered this previously--I don't recall seeing it):

This is directed to the people who are strongly condemning/warning against/whatever you wish to call it a Sanders primary win. Segnosaur and dudalb, for example (based on what I have seen).

If Sanders wins the primary, will you vote for him in the general?
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This wasn't directed at me, but I'll chime in anyway. I don't care for Sanders. He irritates me. He's too old. I think he's too far left. But if he's the nominee, I'll vote for him with no second thought. I just want someone who is not a POS in the White House. I want a return to some kind of sanity in the WH.
 
Minoosh said:
I like his rhetoric OK. On health care, I think his call to end private insurance might drive people away.

Sanders alone can't deliver what you propose. Does he have experience hammering out legislation and rounding up the votes to pass it?
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He will have many challenges but these are things worth fighting for. The guy could be kicking back in retirement but he has a vision for a fairer America that he wants to fulfil.
 
Minoosh said:
Sanders alone can't deliver what you propose. Does he have experience hammering out legislation and rounding up the votes to pass it?
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No, he does not. He's way to rigid in his ideology. If he becomes president, I have no illusions of him being effective no matter who controls congress.
 
Cabbage said:
I do have a question I'd like to ask (my apologies if I am being redundant and you have already answered this previously--I don't recall seeing it):

This is directed to the people who are strongly condemning/warning against/whatever you wish to call it a Sanders primary win. Segnosaur and dudalb, for example (based on what I have seen).

If Sanders wins the primary, will you vote for him in the general?
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Absolutely.
 
SezMe said:
No, he does not. He's way to rigid in his ideology. If he becomes president, I have no illusions of him being effective no matter who controls congress.
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I agree. He's way to ideological. A president who will not compromise will get nothing done.
 
Stacyhs said:
I agree. He's way to ideological. A president who will not compromise will get nothing done.
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Getting nothing done and not compromising does not necessarily follow from being ideological/ having a grand vision for change. Another GOP Senate and that ****** McConnell will shaft any Dem president, regardless. They must win the Senate.

Sanders policies are about improving the lot of many ordinary Americans, including improving the prospects for many kids growing up in the most disadvantaged communities. His policies are worth fighting for.
 
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