Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

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SezMe said:
Deleted. I posted the same PolitiFact link already posted by others.

Hey Brooklyn, seems to me you have two choices:

- Quit listening to Limbaugh as you stated you would; or
- Admit you lied to us.

A classic Hobson's choice. I can't wait for your answer dodge.
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Option 3: deny, deny, deny.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Everything Rush says you can take to the bank.
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Well, he certainly has. He'll never go broke underestimating the nodding credulity of his audience.
 
Belz... said:
Saw that just before coming in here. That's probably the most ironically amusing thing I've seen in a while. The thing's supposed to stop hardened, determined criminals from coming in, but topples as soon as wind wants to get out.
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Some tough little Mexican trees close to the fence prevented total collapse :)

"Luckily, Mexican authorities responded quickly and were able to divert traffic from the nearby street,” said border patrol agent Carlos Pitones, according to the LA Times.

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ChristianProgressive said:
unfortunately I think they will. They control the elections. They control the government on both Federal and State levels. They control the police and the Army.

Our institutions have failed us entirely! Unless the remainder of the Free World saves us, we are in for a long, dark road. The last time democratic institutions failed so utterly, 20 million people had to die to restore justice and liberty to a fallen nation.
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How exactly, and also why, do you suggest we save you from yourselves?

Hans
 
It's seems now clear that Bolton's sudden willingness to testify is the result of the WH blocking his book.
It seems clear to me that a major reason why Bolton didn't want to testify to the House would be the Classified Server with all the incriminating transcripts.
 
Aridas said:
Trump's border wall. Losing to the wind now, because basic power tools weren't bad enough.
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Am I the only one hoping that Mexico sends him a bill for "wall storage fees"?


MRC_Hans said:
How exactly, and also why, do you suggest we save you from yourselves?

Hans
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Because this **** is going to spill over into Canada and Mexico. We can't slap some sense into the US by ourselves.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
EVEN IF McConnell found his conscience or thought about the well-being of the GOP ten years down the road, I very much doubt that he could convince enough Republicans to convict - the consequences for the GOP as a whole are bad, but far less so for the individual Senators.
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How viable do you expect the GOP to be in a decade without significantly ramping up voter suppression?

Belz... said:
Option 3: deny, deny, deny.
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Option 4: Don't honor one's word.
 
Aridas said:
How viable do you expect the GOP to be in a decade without significantly ramping up voter suppression?
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Honestly? Depends on how entrenched they can get.

They've got another 50 years in them, in their current form with something that's at least... somewhat like their current political "identity" for lack of a better term if they manage to really break the system now.
 
Aridas said:
How viable do you expect the GOP to be in a decade without significantly ramping up voter suppression?

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Very, because Americans hate the idea of a One-party system and will give the GOP every chance if they only do some measure of self-reform and commitment to step away from pure demagoguery.
 
Trump Tweets

“Schiff blasted for not focusing on California homeless.” @foxandfriends
His District is in terrible shape. He is a corrupt pol who only dreams of the Impeachment Hoax. In my opinion he is mentally deranged!

GAME OVER!
 
McHrozni said:
One advantage of federalism and presidential system is this is never strictly true.

Democrats control a good number of State governments, they have partial control of the Federal government and the police is composed of such a wide variety of different institutions controlling it is a pipe dream.

The GOP nominally controls the army but has the support of less than half the officer corps. In the meantime all the largest cities and the richest states are controlled by the Democrats..

Here's how the army breaks down.

Enacting a dictatorship in a networked system like the USA is difficult if you have the people on your side. Trump doesn't, at most he has the plurality of the plurality and the obsolete electoral system magnifies that enormously.

McHrozni
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I believe you intended to write, "the plurality of the minority."
 
I've begun to wonder of late if career politicians should step down at retirement age. When considering the way in which some of the greyhairs now adopt positions in opposition to those of their idealistic, younger years, it makes me suspect that the nearness of death might lead to a selfish unconcern for the future, today being sufficient to fight for.

Not to mention the stultification resulting from a lifetime in a soul-destroying job.

Not to mention the cumulative wear of cynicism.

Not to mention the ever present lure of graft and corruption.

Not to mention the way in which power itself is corrosive and corrupting.


Politics is a field in which a reasonably frequent recycling is in order.
 
Lurch said:
I've begun to wonder of late if career politicians should step down at retirement age. When considering the way in which some of the greyhairs now adopt positions in opposition to those of their idealistic, younger years, it makes me suspect that the nearness of death might lead to a selfish unconcern for the future, today being sufficient to fight for.

Not to mention the stultification resulting from a lifetime in a soul-destroying job.

Not to mention the cumulative wear of cynicism.

Not to mention the ever present lure of graft and corruption.

Not to mention the way in which power itself is corrosive and corrupting.


Politics is a field in which a reasonably frequent recycling is in order.
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I agree. There is a problem when politicians are in post for too long. They block new ideas, and new people, and favour people and organisations they know. Whether deliberately corrupt or not I think the system would be better if they had a term limit of retirement age or ten years in post whichever comes later (this would allow old people to be elected and not disenfranchise them).
 
Belz... said:
If the GOP disappears, the Democratic Party will just splinter and we'll be right back where we started.
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What you need is a multi-party system. Sure, it can sometimes be a little too much, but it teaches politicians to seek cooperation rather than entrenchment.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
What you need is a multi-party system. Sure, it can sometimes be a little too much, but it teaches politicians to seek cooperation rather than entrenchment.
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Would that have prevented a Trump-like character from gaining the presidency though?

I could imagine it might actually benefit wanna-be demagogues like Trump, since no longer do they have to get ~50% of the votes, but a 3 or 4 way split would mean he could gain plurality with a smaller share of the votes.

It might make more of a difference in congress (more parties means more views represented in congress), but here in Canada we regularly see parties get majorities despite getting only ~40% of the vote (thanks to 3 or 4 way vote splits). So I could see a Trump-like figure getting the presidency despite only getting 1/3 of the popular vote (if they still did better than the other candidates) and getting supported by Republicans in congress (who managed to get power with ~40% of the votes).
 
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