Telekinesis

Thelight has long ago dropped the requirement that the attacker must be angry, and he has also promised not to use it as an excuse for why he fails the test.
 
Zep said:
That's not what we would actually be testing in the beaten-wasp-nest situation. It should be just as effective a test to hold off wasps bent on attacking you coming from any direction as it would be to hold off a dog coming from one direction. AND a lot more successful in making the results self-obvious! ;)
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Your suggestion clearly has higher entertainment value, I'll give you that... :)
 
I've been thinking about this test. I still have reservations about the use of the dog. Too many uncontroled variables, and concern for the welfare of the dog. I much prefer the original idea of having a martial artist take a flying kick at the paranormal performer. The image of a black clad Ninja being hurled backward in mid flight (or alternatively crashing full tilt into the performer) is quite attractive.
If a dog is used I have two suggestions. First, have a fixed camera, with a wall background along the course the dog will take. White painted wall with black line calibration marks will make it easy to determine that the dog is actually pushed back while airborne.
Second, since a safety chain will be attached the opportunity exists to get an additional indication of the dogs movement. The base of the chain could have a strain switch with a fairly high breakout force. The dog hitting the end of the chain with any great force would turn on a light in the fixed cameras field of view.
Thus just by reviewing the film solid results, not subject to subjective interpretation, could be gained. If the dog moves backwards in flight he is clearly being affected by some outside force, on the other hand, if the light goes on he is clearly pulling our chain.

Robert
 
I think the guys greatest achievement is causing so much discussion of this nonsense by so many otherwise intelligent people. :cool:
 
Isn't the "witness" requirement an option of the JREF? They may choose not to require it in this case...
 
gnome said:
Isn't the "witness" requirement an option of the JREF? They may choose not to require it in this case...
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As per Rule 13 of the JREF Challenge: Yes.

http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html


But, in the role of an applicant, why not enter the JREF Challenge "all guns blazing"?

Provide information of what you will do?

No JAKin', no SPIESEin', no CONGERin'?

Define success and failure criteria?

Suggest a simple protocol?

And ice the cake with three affidavits from three MDs?

Really stick it to those JREF fat cats?



After all, they came here: "...because I believe that I will succeed. And that's what champions are made of."



"Eat this, Randi!" ;)
 
Well, not yet. Seems Alvin has run into a road-block - people are actually NOT going to let him define the rules himself!
 
Zep said:
Well, not yet. Seems Alvin has run into a road-block - people are actually NOT going to let him define the rules himself!
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What? You mean if the dog buries it's teeth in his throat this is not counted as a success?

I think you guys are being a bit unreasonable!
 
One part of me says "Yes, what a great idea for Alvin", but the other part says "GACK! NO! WHO'S GONNA CLEAN UP THAT MESS!"

I will make a bold prediction: We can work through a protocol here (semi-serious even), but Alvin will NEVER apply. Because all he is doing is sh!t-stirring. So it's a waste of everyone's time to take it at all seriously.
 
KnotKnitWit said:
The dog running the weave poles looks like an English Setter or a Great Dane cross of some sort. (The angle of the video makes me unsure. However, if you stop the video when the dog is near the 'repeller', it's head easily reaches the person's elbow.) In either case, the dog is at least as large as a Doberman and quite a bit heavier. According to this irrefutable video evidence, thelight is a piker.
thelight is doomed and you easily win another BRILLIANT! :clap: .
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A belated thanks to KnotKnitWit for your compliment. :)
Although I have no wish for thelight to be doomed.
Not been around for a while and this thread has grown much.

I have noted that thelight has mentioned ability to defy "newton's law of motion" more than once now. And I do hope he does have such special telekinetic powers. I would be sad if he failed.
 
thelight said:
...snipe...
What we say now as "paranormal" will actually become science in the future, even probably taught at elementary schools.
...snipe...
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I agree that some stuff that is considered "paranormal" today may be considered science in future.

I'm impress by your confidence.

Note also in this thread I have suggested JREF to start a "X-Men" school.
http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?t=25699

thelight, if you do win the million, I would invite you to champion the idea of an "X-men school"? A school where the aim is to help develop the special ability of special people.
 
thelight said:
Yes, I'm making my move. The very reason I started this thread is to fully understand the first steps. Just need to confirm on a couple of things (please correct me if I'm wrong):

1. Sign the application form before a public notary.
2. State in two paragraphs what I will demonstrate.
3. Make a trial run and bring three witnesses.
4. Take the witnesses to a public notary to sign an affidavit of what they have witnessed.
3. Send the three documents (application form, statement and affidavit) to JREF
4. Wait for JREF's response.

Did I have the steps correct?

I still have some questions and I hope someone would be kind enough to answer:

1. I live in Indonesia. Where would the test take place?
2. I read the FAQ, and as I understand it, I would also be liable for JREF team's travel expenses. Is this right?
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Everyone else has covered most of the points I would have made in response. I'd hold off on the affidavits for right now until asked. Once asked, THEN I'd suggest who I plan to get them from, and only after Kramer had confirmed such persons are appropriate for that I'd bother with draging them all to the notary. It just avoids the mess of getting affadavits that wouldn't be considered acceptable anyway.

And just a quick response to Soapy Sam, we've not yet been told what event/events led him to believe he has this ability, nor what may cause him to believe anger is a requirement. As noted earlier, he has decided to focus on developing a successful protocol instead of examining the underlying function, which is probably the smartest approach to beat the challenge. That's why I feel it would help to go back to whatever first made him think this ability exists, easier to work with what you know I say. Perhaps in the past he did throw back an attacking doberman, and thus his strong feeling that working with that breed will yield success. Good luck to him!
 
GzuzKryzt said:
WE won't kill one of us. :)

I, too, sometimes seem lost in the maze of irrational blather. Don't worry about it. Enter the Humour threads in the forum.
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thought this was a humor thead
 
DHR said:
thought this was a humor thead
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Welcome to the forum, DHR. Enjoy.



Although this thread has seen its share of funny statements, it still remains in the Challenge Forum.
Because thelight seriously wants to apply.
Because "this (telekinesis) is such a routine in (his) daily life."

Only a cynical mind would place this thread in the humour forum, wouldn't it?

But then, how about moving all Challenge applications schtraight to humour? :D
 
Patience my friends, I AM applying. I just want to start on the right foot. And as I mentioned before, I’m a regular guy who needs to go to work everyday and get shouted by the boss at work. So I only have a couple of hours during the weekend to prepare this. I’m not ready to leave my current job even in the eve of the chance to make a million bucks (less travel expenses for Mr. Randi’s boys).

I still need to ask some questions:

1. The affidavits aren’t required until they are asked for, right? This would be a great relief because the cost for notarizing is higher than I had expected (and the notary asks a lot of questions too!).
2. If we are responsible for the JREF team’s expenses, how many people would come? Does it mean I pay all expenses, including return flight ticket, accommodation (5-star hotel or would a standard hotel do?), local transportation, meals etc?
3. My guess is that my total expenses could add up to 5% of the total prize money (a large amount by Indonesian standards), coz there would be 2 events for the demonstration. And there’s a chance that the process terminated mid way on grounds that “both parties can’t come to a mutually-agreed protocol”, or “the applicant behaved in a manner unacceptable to the JREF team”.
4. As I have previously asked, how do I get in touch with this KRAMER guy? I think I also read in one of the threads that JREF decided that he will no longer respond to any inquiries, is this true?
5. All documents are to be sent to the following address, right?

James Randi Educational Foundation
201 S.E. 12th Street
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316-1815 U.S.A.

6. I read in the thread somewhere that an Indonesian team once attempted to become an applicant. What was it they were planning to demonstrate? What happened? How were they declared fail?

Thank you guys.
 
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