Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

[Ziggurat]

Allegedly altered a document, from what I’ve read, but no indication on what, how much, or if it materially effected the outcome.

We know what he altered, it’s in the IG report. Do keep up.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

We know what he altered, it’s in the IG report. Do keep up.

And it wouldn't have changed anything, according to the same report
Do keep up.

 

[pgwenthold]

Quelle surprise, the Hubert investigation into the FBI, Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation, and Uranium One has been closed, having found nothing worth pursuing:


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/hillary-clinton-justice-department-investigation-results

Don't worry, when the AG and President tweet about it, they will tell us how the investigation found terrible, horrible crimes showing that the Ukraine was illegally supporting Clinton in the election.

 

[Ziggurat]

And it wouldn't have changed anything, according to the same report

The IG report does not make that claim. You're simply making stuff up now.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

We will get this done for our great Miners!

Senator Joe Manchin
@Sen_JoeManchin
BREAKING NEWS: Today we came to an agreement that will finally secure pensions & healthcare for our coal miners & their families. . I look forward to voting for this crucial bill later this week & sending it to the President so he can sign it into law. https://sen.gov/M6K9

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Democrats are now the party of high taxes, high crime, open borders, late-term abortion, socialism, and blatant corruption. The Republican Party is the party of the American Worker, the American Family, and the American Dream! #KAG2020

After years of rebuilding OTHER nations, we are finally rebuilding OUR nation. We are finally putting AMERICA FIRST! #KAG2020

Under my administration, we will NEVER make excuses for America’s enemies – we will never hesitate in defending American lives – and we will never stop working to defeat Radical Islamic Terrorism!

 

[Ladewig]

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Under my administration, we will NEVER make excuses for America’s enemies –

But we will always make excuses for President Trump’s friends.

we will never hesitate in defending American lives –

N.b. Khasohggi wasn’t an American.

 

[newyorkguy]

Allegedly altered a document, from what I’ve read, but no indication on what, how much, or if it materially effected the outcome. So, yeah, investigate, but the Trump Administration is still doing crimes and those need to be exposed and prosecuted, too.

This matter has been and is being investigated. This is from a CNN report last November.

A former FBI lawyer is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance of a Trump campaign adviser, several people briefed on the matter told CNN. Yet the situation did not sway an independent Justice Department watchdog from finding the surveillance was valid, sources said. Still, the possibility of a substantive change to an investigative document is likely to fuel accusations from President Donald Trump and his allies that the FBI committed wrongdoing in its investigation of connections between Russian election meddling and the Trump campaign. Link

To be clear, as NBC News reported after the release of the Horowitz Report:

WASHINGTON — The FBI mishandled parts of its application to monitor a Trump campaign aide as it was probing possible Russian interference in the 2016 election, but the overall investigation was justified, according to a long-awaited report by the Justice Department's watchdog that rebuts the president's depiction of a politically biased plot against him. Link

Lest we forget, the Horowitz investigation was a primarily about fact finding and it did indeed find that, despite investigators making some mistakes, the inquiry into possible ties between the Russian government and the Trump campaign was legally justified. Below are quotes from the report:

We concluded that the investigative activities undertaken by the Crossfire Hurricane team involving CHSs and UCEs received the necessary FBI approvals and complied with applicable Department and FBI policies.

We concluded that AD Priestap's exercise of discretion in opening the investigation was in compliance with Department and FBI policies and we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced his decision. Link

Ironic, that a fair and objective inquiry was done largely in response to Trump's severe criticism and broad accusations, which is exactly the kind of due process Trump routinely denies to others.

 

[Ziggurat]

The report doesn't rebut the accusation of bias. The fact that nobody said they were motivated by bias doesn't mean that they weren't biased. From the IG report (page xiii):

We identified at least 17 significant errors or omissions in the Carter Page FISA applications, and many additional errors in the Woods Procedures. These errors and omissions resulted from case agents providing wrong or incomplete information to and failing to flag important issues for discussion. While we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the part of the case agents who assisted preparing the applications, or the agents and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or problems we identified.​

In other words, if you're ruling out bias simply because nobody said they were motivated by bias, you're a fool.

And let me further say that if there was no bias, if these kinds of screw ups are in fact standard procedure in the FBI, then THANK GOD for Trump complaining about it, because otherwise this routine abuse might never have seen the light of day.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

I love constantly proving them wrong. It’s easy!

Debra J. Saunders
@debrajsaunders
@MBrooksRJC blamed “Trump Derangement Syndrome” for prodding critics to predict the worst. “They try to make the case that he doesn’t know what he’s doing, and time and again, he proves them all wrong.”
https://lvrj.com/post/1930975 via @reviewjournal

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

“11,000 points gained in the Dow in the 3 years since the Election of President Trump. Today it may hit 29,000. That has NEVER happened before in that time frame. That has added 12.8 Trillion Dollars to the VALUE of American Business.”
@Varneyco @FoxNews
The best is yet to come!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

She will go down as perhaps the least successful Speaker in U.S. History!

 

[Upchurch]

In other words, if you're ruling out bias simply because nobody said they were motivated by bias, you're a fool.

This is a very different toon than what you were singing about the Mueller Report.

 

[Segnosaur]

Under my administration, we will NEVER make excuses for America’s enemies

But we will always make excuses for President Trump’s friends.

Sadly, many of Trump's friends ARE America's enemies.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump says he deserves Nobel Peace Prize not Abiy Ahmed

I'm going to tell you about the Nobel Peace Prize, I'll tell you about that. I made a deal, I saved a country, and I just heard that the head of that country is now getting the Nobel Peace Prize for saving the country. I said: 'What, did I have something do with it?' Yeah, but you know, that's the way it is. As long as we know, that's all that matters... I saved a big war, I've saved a couple of them.

US influence in the peace talks was minimal. The United Arab Emirates was key in helping to bring the two sides together.

 

[Ziggurat]

This is a very different toon than what you were singing about the Mueller Report.

You don't sing toons. And these aren't equivalent questions, and they are different reports. What metric are you even using to compare, and why should anyone's conclusions about them be the same by whatever metric that is?

 

[Upchurch]

And these aren't equivalent questions, and they are different reports.

Yes, one is critical of Trump and the other is critical of those investigating the crimes of the Trump Campaign and the Trump Administration. Odd how one can be read between the lines and the other cannot, isn't it?

 

[Ziggurat]

Yes, one is critical of Trump and the other is critical of those investigating the crimes of the Trump Campaign and the Trump Administration.

Plus, of course, they deal with different events.

Odd how one can be read between the lines and the other cannot, isn't it?

You still can't express any coherent basis for comparing how my conclusions should be related to each other. And the problem isn't reading between the lines.

 

[Belz...]

Trump Tweets

I love constantly proving them wrong. It’s easy!

Debra J. Saunders
@debrajsaunders
@MBrooksRJC blamed “Trump Derangement Syndrome” for prodding critics to predict the worst. “They try to make the case that he doesn’t know what he’s doing, and time and again, he proves them all wrong.”
https://lvrj.com/post/1930975 via @reviewjournal

Ah, yes. Trump Derangement Syndrome. The conservative "gotcha" for all those times where they were rightly accused of being obsessed with Obama's innocuous actions and words. So much so that no matter how egregious Trump's behaviour is, liberals should never react to it.

 

[Upchurch]

Plus, of course, they deal with different events.

True, different things are not the same thing. I'm not sure what your point is. Can we not draw comparisons between different things? Isn't that at the very nature of a comparison?

You still can't express any coherent basis for comparing how my conclusions should be related to each other. And the problem isn't reading between the lines.

They are both Department of Justice investigations, right? Why should one be taken with literal exactness and no extrapolation or interpretation while the other dictates that only a fool would not see the unwritten implications?

Just seems inconsistent.