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Therapist says if you're an atheist you should lie to your kids about God.

DuvalHMFIC said:
To each his own I suppose. I'm nearly 40 and still have very fun, fond memories of awaiting Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, etc. I've raised children in a similar fashion and I know they enjoyed it, too. I never once harbored any ill-will towards my parents. I was aware enough to realize it was for fun.
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And that's the difference between God and Santa. Everyone knows Santa is just for fun. God is serious. Your very soul is at stake.
 
arthwollipot said:
And that's the difference between God and Santa. Everyone knows Santa is just for fun. God is serious. Your very soul is at stake.
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Exactly! And children are actually supposed to debunk the Santa lie at some point. They used to have special schools for those who don't.
The experience of finding out that Santa is a lie may even make them ask themselves (and others): What else that I've been told isn't true?
Santa is very educational in that respect: Christians could learn a lot from him!
 
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RoboTimbo said:
Ok, let's talk about Shiva, Vishnu and Krishna then. DOC, do you suggest we tell our children that they exist since there is so much evidence for them?
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No, because a child might later get confused by the 33 million other gods in Hinduism. Also I'm not big on the caste system.
 
YES! DOC is back! Best Threads Ever!

Oh boy how I missed this, comedy gold if I've ever seen one.

DOC said:
Argument by Assertion. Let the posts stand for themselves without offering up a wide sweeping opinion.
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If I recall, your posts have indeed stood for themselves and resulted in at least 2 people that we know that dumped their religion and declared themselves Atheist.
 
DOC said:
No, because a child might later get confused by the 33 million other gods in Hinduism.
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Why would they get confused by 33 million other gods? There is such a tremendous amount of evidence for Vishnu, Krishna and Shiva that I think those would be the easiest to tell my children about.

Also I'm not big on the caste system.
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But you're ok with the horrors of the Christian Bible and its cults?
 
I so we are firmly in the "My God makes perfect sense and clarifies things for Children, other Gods are confusing and would give the little tykes unrecoverable existential criseses" and "God and Santa are different because God is superserious I'm for realizes guys"

Santa is lot more serious for children then God is to adults who aren't seen as mentally ill.
 
DuvalHMFIC said:
Is this true? I typically stay out of the religious threads, that's pretty cool!
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Indeed. I don't want to get this thread out of topic.
But the gist is that indeed, DOC has attempted to give us the "evidence" of why Christianity is true and done such a great job over a billion pages that 2 users said it helped them see how it got blasted and how there really is nothing to show for it or he would have done that by the millionth page.

Which is why it's great he's back! Hopefully bigger and better than ever!
We need more people on our side :D
 
Thermal said:
I'm on the edge of my seat to see that robust evidence that *checks notes* telling your kids about Santa has the potential to harm trust, et al. Groundbreaking research, I'm sure. Otherwise, that which is asserted with out evidence...



Yeah, got it the first time. Since the theme is what creates trust issues, to wit: I assert, with the same authority as you do, that taking Santa away from your kids has the potential to harm trust.
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Why don't you go and look at the research that shows that lying to children (about god, santa and similar myths) causes them to lie more in turn.
 
GrandMasterFox said:
...If I recall, your posts have indeed stood for themselves and resulted in at least 2 people that we know that dumped their religion and declared themselves Atheist.
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DuvalHMFIC said:
Is this true? I typically stay out of the religious threads, that's pretty cool!
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More than likely it's not true. Anybody with a grudge, or who is a troll, can say anything on these threads. And out of my nearly 8000 posts, there was only one poster who made that claim and when I asked for them to give a post that allegedly caused this they didn't answer. Any anonymous person can say anything for whatever reason, but not any person can give a reasoned explanation when asked.
 
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DOC said:
Actually I can only remember one in the several years I've made posts. Why don't you give the posts where this happened. If you can't you should retract the statement.
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Oh no any evidence that you are right is a hijack, remember?
 
catsmate said:
Why don't you go and look at the research that shows that lying to children (about god, santa and similar myths) causes them to lie more in turn.
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Because it was not my unevidenced assertion. Need me to explain 'burden of proof' to you?
 
DOC said:
No, because a child might later get confused by the 33 million other gods in Hinduism. Also I'm not big on the caste system.
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But the question is not what you like or don't like, nor what might confuse you. Hindu children get Hindu religion. If you can provide evidence that this causes them confusion that some other religion would assuage, there's plenty of room left in this thread for you to provide some good evidence.
 
DOC, you didn't answer this:

RoboTimbo said:
Why would they get confused by 33 million other gods? There is such a tremendous amount of evidence for Vishnu, Krishna and Shiva that I think those would be the easiest to tell my children about.


But you're ok with the horrors of the Christian Bible and its cults?
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DOC said:
No, because a child might later get confused by the 33 million other gods in Hinduism. Also I'm not big on the caste system.
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What's that got to do with lying to children about the existence of gods? Are the non-believing parents supposed to check with you to see if you like an aspect of the proposed lie that they're about to tell their children? That seems...odd.
 
DuvalHMFIC said:
Is this true? I typically stay out of the religious threads, that's pretty cool!
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I was one of the two. You'd have to search my posts in one of the continuation "evidence for why we know the writers of the new testament told the truth" (sic) threads.


ETA - on topic:
Actually, one of the contributing factors was when I caught myself telling a child how "when people are still talking about you and quoting you 2,000 years later, then maybe we can discuss how Jesus was wrong" or something like that. My skeptical brain knew that this was a fallacy, and DOCs threads were he first time I had applied skepticism to the New Testament since I had been a kid in Sunday School. So I don't believe in lying to children about God, because they might learn bad logic in the process, since religion only has apologetics to defend it.


EEEETTTTTTAAAAA - try this.
 
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GrandMasterFox said:
YES! DOC is back! Best Threads Ever!

Oh boy how I missed this, comedy gold if I've ever seen one.



If I recall, your posts have indeed stood for themselves and resulted in at least 2 people that we know that dumped their religion and declared themselves Atheist.
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Lol, I forgot about that...


carlitos said:
I was one of the two. You'd have to search my posts in one of the continuation "evidence for why we know the writers of the new testament told the truth" (sic) threads.


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Actually, one of the contributing factors was when I caught myself telling a child how "when people are still talking about you and quoting you 2,000 years later, then maybe we can discuss how Jesus was wrong" or something like that. My skeptical brain knew that this was a fallacy, and DOCs threads were he first time I had applied skepticism to the New Testament since I had been a kid in Sunday School. So I don't believe in lying to children about God, because they might learn bad logic in the process, since religion only has apologetics to defend it.


EEEETTTTTTAAAAA - try this.
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Those were the days, so much fun.


Thing is Doc, nothings changed. If the Pharoah turned up to contribute, it would almost seem like deja vu!
 
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