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P.J. Denyer said:
Probably not since previous callers to James O'Brien have passionately argued the benefits of carcinogenic colouring in jam, newspaper ink on take away food, and three prong plugs (which apparently we'll be able to have after Brexit:rolleyes:).

If it's performance art it's long running and played to the hilt by a large cast of incredible actors from a wide range of groups.
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:confused: The UK has three pin plugs.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Probably not since previous callers to James O'Brien have passionately argued the benefits of carcinogenic colouring in jam, newspaper ink on take away food, and three prong plugs (which apparently we'll be able to have after Brexit:rolleyes:).

If it's performance art it's long running and played to the hilt by a large cast of incredible actors from a wide range of groups.
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catsmate said:
:confused: The UK has three pin plugs.
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Not sure why that's confusing.

P.J. Denyer was pointing out how firmly based in reality many of the Brexiteer callers to James O'Brien are.

I've come across several who seemingly haven't observed many very common features of UK life, which are apparently banned under the EU.
 
jimbob said:
Not sure why that's confusing.

P.J. Denyer was pointing out how firmly based in reality many of the Brexiteer callers to James O'Brien are.

I've come across several who seemingly haven't observed many very common features of UK life, which are apparently banned under the EU.
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Ah. :o
 
The real point is the trade deal with the EU and then the following "great deals" (copyright D. Trump) that will start "flowing" in with other countries and trade areas. I saw no point in brexit as the UK was outside of the madness that is euro and was an influential member in the world's biggest trading block. But I could have seen a Norway style relationship, maintaining free access to EU markets, though much worse position than full membership but still. But no, these fantasists wanted also out of the customs union, which pretty much reminds one of the charge of the Light Brigade... One day reality will catch up with them, surely?
 
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llwyd said:
The real point is the trade deal with the EU and then the following "great deals" (copyright D. Trump) that will start "flowing" in with other countries and trade areas. I saw no point in brexit as the UK was outside of the madness that is euro and was an influential member in the world's biggest trading block. But I could have seen a Norway style relationship, maintaining free access to EU markets, though much worse position than full membership but still. But no, these fantasists wanted also out of the customs union, which pretty much reminds one of the charge of the Light Brigade... One day reality will catch up with them, surely?
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Sadly, I think not.

The architects of Brexit, the senior politicians, hedge fund managers and the like, are completely insulated from the effects of Brexit and stand to benefit significantly from any disruption that may result. The reality of Brexit is what they were aiming for.

The people who voted for Brexit in their droves likely will continue to consume the same media sources and will continue to blame any and all negative effects of Brexit on immigrants in our midst, Remoaners fighting a rearguard action, the EU for being mean and any other thing which avoids blaming Brexit itself.

They'll also be getting a completely different message about the effects of Brexit. According to the Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Telegraph and Sun, any negative effects are minor, temporary and jolly well worth it to "regain our sovereignty" :(. They will be inhabiting a different reality.
 
Australian trade minister 'can't imagine' free movement talks with UK

Australia's trade minister appears to have ruled out including visa-free travel in a post-Brexit trade deal with the UK.

Simon Birmingham said he "can't imagine full and unfettered free movement" will be up for negotiation during trade discussions.

Britain's international trade secretary Liz Truss promoted the idea of free movement between the two countries during a visit to Australia in September, although she later appeared to step back from her comments.
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https://news.sky.com/story/australi...-imagine-free-movement-talks-with-uk-11902047
 
a_unique_person said:
Yes. We already have free movement with New Zealand. What a nightmare. They send all their criminals over here.
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Is this an official government program?

Sounds like the structured plan Mexico has to "not send us their best."

Which is to say, sounds like hogwash.
 
Boris Johnson to stress importance of trade talks in his meeting with the new president of the European Commission.

Boris Johnson will stress the importance of the UK and EU reaching a trade deal by the end of the year in his first meeting with the new president of the European Commission.
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No **** Sherlock :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure that the EU are absolutely aware of this and are sharpening their pencils as we speak.

My prediction is that the UK and EU will not manage to agree a trade deal, due in the main to the unreasonableness of the UK's demands - we will leave with no deal on WTO terms. We will then rapidly agree trade deal with the US which will be more or less exclusively on their terms (look forward to chlorinated chicken, turkey butts, high fructose corn syrup and the end of the NHS as we know it folks), which will be hailed as a great success. :(
 
The Don said:
Boris Johnson to stress importance of trade talks in his meeting with the new president of the European Commission.



No **** Sherlock :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure that the EU are absolutely aware of this and are sharpening their pencils as we speak.

My prediction is that the UK and EU will not manage to agree a trade deal, due in the main to the unreasonableness of the UK's demands - we will leave with no deal on WTO terms. We will then rapidly agree trade deal with the US which will be more or less exclusively on their terms (look forward to chlorinated chicken, turkey butts, high fructose corn syrup and the end of the NHS as we know it folks), which will be hailed as a great success. :(
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My expectation is that it will be the same shambles, no idea what the UK wants, just what we don't want, no detail ready from the UK, no understanding of the transition deal we've agreed to.

Other than that it will all be fine....
 
Dave Rogers said:
And a quarter of a century later, it doesn't actually seem to have happened.

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Yes, it's almost like people have been making **** up about European rules. Now what was the name of that blonde journalist who used to do that? Boris something, habit of being fired for lying. Whatever happened to him?
 
I was just leafing through the latest edition of Private Eye on my seat of ease this morning and two things caught my eye:

Whitehall are pulling together a "crack" negotiating team to handle Brexit (this is before it was announced that negotiations with the EU and US would be happening in parallel, presumably this doubles their workload). Unfortunately few, if any, have any relevant experience.

Crawford Falconer, chief trade negotiation adviser, has been notable in his absence of late which is causing some Mandarins to question his generous salary.

It seems that the UK are destined for "interesting times" in 2020. In particular the parallel UK/EU and UK/US trade negotiations seem to be interesting, not least because trying to get free trade agreements with both are mutually exclusive. IMO the UK is vastly overestimating its value to the EU and, in order to avoid a humiliating lack of trade deals will accept the US deal on any terms - which will make any kind of trade deal (free or otherwise) with the EU, orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve. :(
 
The Don said:
I was just leafing through the latest edition of Private Eye on my seat of ease this morning and two things caught my eye:

Whitehall are pulling together a "crack" negotiating team to handle Brexit (this is before it was announced that negotiations with the EU and US would be happening in parallel, presumably this doubles their workload). Unfortunately few, if any, have any relevant experience.

Crawford Falconer, chief trade negotiation adviser, has been notable in his absence of late which is causing some Mandarins to question his generous salary.

It seems that the UK are destined for "interesting times" in 2020. In particular the parallel UK/EU and UK/US trade negotiations seem to be interesting, not least because trying to get free trade agreements with both are mutually exclusive. IMO the UK is vastly overestimating its value to the EU and, in order to avoid a humiliating lack of trade deals will accept the US deal on any terms - which will make any kind of trade deal (free or otherwise) with the EU, orders of magnitude more difficult to achieve. :(
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Well, the Trumpistan in the west hasn't been known to field experts either. That's something working in favo(u)r of the UK for a change. British 'crack' team in charge of negotiating a deal with the US doesn't actually have to be good at their job. If they're people who know what negotiating is and come equipped with a wish list they might even do better than their American counterparts.

EU will eat them alive of course, but BJ might have a 'solution' of sorts to that: don't make a deal with the EU and try to become the 51st state instead.

There's no doubt any serious deal will take place after the Novermber elections in the US though. BJ is the one running against the clock for a change.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Well, the Trumpistan in the west hasn't been known to field experts either. That's something working in favo(u)r of the UK for a change. British 'crack' team in charge of negotiating a deal with the US doesn't actually have to be good at their job. If they're people who know what negotiating is and come equipped with a wish list they might even do better than their American counterparts.
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You're right regarding the Trump Administration's expertise but the advantages that the US has over the UK in the trade negotiations are:

  • A very clear set of requirements which have already been communicated ahead of time
  • Clearly defined red lines which cannot be broken
  • The upper hand in terms of the economic muscle they wield
  • No real urgency - the UK desperately needs a deal before the end of 2020, the US has no such deadline

OTOH the UK has no clear idea of what it wants, its red lines are pretty malleable, we'll be very much the junior partner in any relationship and Boris Johnson needs a deal to trumpet when negotiations with the EU fail - as the inevitably (and possibly intentionally) will.

McHrozni said:
EU will eat them alive of course, but BJ might have a 'solution' of sorts to that: don't make a deal with the EU and try to become the 51st state instead.

There's no doubt any serious deal will take place after the Novermber elections in the US though. BJ is the one running against the clock for a change.

McHrozni
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Yes he can try to become the 51st state but unlike the current relationship with the EU, the UK/US deal will not be mutually beneficial, the US is clear that the intent is to increase US exports to the UK and if anything reduce trade in the other direction. The UK/US deal will also kill any trade with the EU and this is several times the trade with the US - it'll be an unmitigated disaster IMO.
 
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