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Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

LondonJohn said:
Then what you meant was shtreimels. Cossack hats are something entirely different. Orthodox jews do not wear cossack hats.

And in any case, I'm really not understanding what relevance the presence of orthodox jews in their distinctive clothing on a flight to/from Israel has to the question of the ability (or otherwise) of a man with an identifiably-Jewish family name to travel to a Middle Eastern country which is extremely hostile to jews and to Israel....?
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Why the blazes would he want to travel to a Saudi country at pain of death by beheading if caught with a fake passport and taking the virginity of nice Saudi young ladies?

The hats and clothing are a throwback to 17th Century Warsaw. I should think that those types of hat were quite common in cold countries.
 
Vixen said:
Why the blazes would he want to travel to a Saudi country at pain of death by beheading if caught with a fake passport and taking the virginity of nice Saudi young ladies?
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He may have had any number of reasons to go to Saudi Arabia. And if so, what he wouldn't have wanted was a passport issued in a Jewish name (let alone the possibility of having a passport with Israeli immigration stamps in it - which are an automatic disbarring to many arab nations (including Saudi Arabia)).



The hats and clothing are a throwback to 17th Century Warsaw. I should think that those types of hat were quite common in cold countries.
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Yes I know all about the history. And yes, animal-fur hats in dark colours were indeed very common (amongst those who could afford them) in central European countries in those times. But the fur hats adopted by orthodox Jews were not "Cossack hats". They were - and are - a completely different style of hat. Called a shtreimel. So if you claim that orthodox jewish men wear/wore "cossack hats", you'd be wrong.
 
Vixen said:
Yeah, well. You might think you are being facetious but you cannot explain why the cctv cameras outside his cell door were conveniently disabled

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The corporation that I'm employed by made the mistake of contracting with Tyco/Johnson Controls for a security camera system on our property.

At any given time past the first six months of a four year contract a minimum of 25% of the cameras would be down, with 50% down at times.

Tyco'Johnson not only blew off our service requests (their responsibility by contract), when we withhold payment in proportion to the system outage they couldn't understand why. and threatened us with legal action.

One letter from our counsel put the brakes on that, but until the day T/J came out to remove their equipment the system was never 100% functional
 
LondonJohn said:
He may have had any number of reasons to go to Saudi Arabia. And if so, what he wouldn't have wanted was a passport issued in a Jewish name (let alone the possibility of having a passport with Israeli immigration stamps in it - which are an automatic disbarring to many arab nations (including Saudi Arabia)).







Yes I know all about the history. And yes, animal-fur hats in dark colours were indeed very common (amongst those who could afford them) in central European countries in those times. But the fur hats adopted by orthodox Jews were not "Cossack hats". They were - and are - a completely different style of hat. Called a shtreimel. So if you claim that orthodox jewish men wear/wore "cossack hats", you'd be wrong.
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What piffle. Do you really think US diplomatic friends, Saudi Arabia. are going to take out a US citizen at their borders just because he might have a Jewish name but then again he might not. I am guessing it is equally common in German-speaking countries. Plus you don't get your passport stamped at the Israeli border. Israel has literally millions of tourists every year. Do you really think a tourist to the Holy Land is going to be marked as dead meat if he or she then ventures into Egypt for sightseeing? It is a crap theory.

The hats worn today by various sects of Jews can be traced back to the Tatars who were reowned for their style of uniform and choice of weaponry. It is a historical fact that mainline Jewish sects in Israel have adopted the sartorial style of seventeenth century Warsaw. I dare say they do have their own name for it. In any case, Jews wear whatever they like without the need of obtaining a fake passport or changing their name. A Jewish friend of mine at school simply had a team of bodyguards.
 
Vixen said:
Epstein's death has been ruled a likely homicide by his brother, Mark's, privately hired pathologist, Dr. Baden.
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So what? He doesn't get to "rule" anything.
Baden is a self-aggrandising crank. He's the same nutter who testified that OJ was innocent, and that Phil Spector's victim was a suicide, in addition to being a paid-for FOX commentator. He smells a new book.
His history of mishandling evidence meant he lasted less than a year as CME in New York. Suffolk County also fired him from his coronial job.
 
Vixen said:
What piffle. Do you really think US diplomatic friends, Saudi Arabia. are going to take out a US citizen at their borders just because he might have a Jewish name but then again he might not. I am guessing it is equally common in German-speaking countries. Plus you don't get your passport stamped at the Israeli border. Israel has literally millions of tourists every year. Do you really think a tourist to the Holy Land is going to be marked as dead meat if he or she then ventures into Egypt for sightseeing? It is a crap theory.
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Did you notice where I wrote "many Arab nations"? Well, Egypt is not one of those nations, for a variety of reasons. And yes, Israel stamps your passport on entry (I'm surprised you didn't know that if you claimed to have visited there) - even if you ask for it not to be stamped, they usually override that request. I know about these things. You do not.

(Oh, by the way: try crossing from Israel into Jordan or Syria (both of which are adjoining countries) using the passport with which you entered Israel. You'll find out just how........ easy..... it is.)




The hats worn today by various sects of Jews can be traced back to the Tatars who were reowned for their style of uniform and choice of weaponry. It is a historical fact that mainline Jewish sects in Israel have adopted the sartorial style of seventeenth century Warsaw. I dare say they do have their own name for it. In any case, Jews wear whatever they like without the need of obtaining a fake passport or changing their name. A Jewish friend of mine at school simply had a team of bodyguards.
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Firstly, I don't care about your "Jewish friend at school", who (if this was the UK) either had very weathy/influential parents or had group security outside a synagogue.

Secondly, as I've already pointed out to you, your (alleged) experience of orthodox jewish men on an aircraft was ON AN AIRCRAFT HEADING TO ISRAEL. What is it about this that you cannot/will not understand? If you think orthodox jews would even make it past the check-in desk - let alone onto the aircraft and into the air - on a flight headed to (e.g.) Saudi Arabia, well...... words fail me......

And lastly, I know the history of headwear as it relates to orthodox jewish men. And not only do they "have their own name for it": it's a separate style of hat in its own right. It is not a cossack hat. Therefore you were wrong to claim it was a cossack hat. You were as wrong as if you'd claimed, for example, that the hat predominantly worn by men at the Henley Regatta is a straw Panama hat.

But hey ho. Another day, another dollar, huh?
 
Vixen said:
Yeah, well. You might think you are being facetious but you cannot explain why the cctv cameras outside his cell door were conveniently disabled as of the time of his homi suicide and a couple of muppet prison guards were on duty, no doubt carefully selected for their laziness and incompetence. So in other words, you cannot possibly state with certainty that no-one snuck into his cell.
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I'm guessing you are not an American citizen.

The only thing harder than getting hired by the Federal Government is getting fired from that job once you have some seniority. Those guards have a powerful union that protects all of its members, even the crappy ones.

Next, look into the amount of "fun" that goes into replacing a dead light bulb in the ceiling and then extrapolate that with faulty security cameras and then "finding room" in the quarterly budget to fix them when you have those (expensive) prison guards drawing overtime.

And nobody can just sneak into his cell. There are layers of security which do not involve cameras and in places require physical interaction with a guard to open a door.

Intelligence agents on the other hand (and CIA often ally with Mossad) can and do carry out 'undercover operations'.
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You need to calm down about the CIA and Mossad. The CIA doesn't run operations inside CONUS and at the moment is also understaffed for the missions it is currently tasked to perform. I will point out the obvious since you're clueless on this subject but nobody at Langley is going to go the extra mile for President Trump and nobody at Langley was going to lift a finger for former President Clinton or his wife for a long list of reasons.

And Mossad would have killed him before he was taken into custody because Mossad actually has a track record of assassinations.

No spirit world needed.
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Good, because there isn't one (hence no Satan):thumbsup:
 
BStrong said:
The corporation that I'm employed by made the mistake of contracting with Tyco/Johnson Controls for a security camera system on our property.

At any given time past the first six months of a four year contract a minimum of 25% of the cameras would be down, with 50% down at times.

Tyco'Johnson not only blew off our service requests (their responsibility by contract), when we withhold payment in proportion to the system outage they couldn't understand why. and threatened us with legal action.

One letter from our counsel put the brakes on that, but until the day T/J came out to remove their equipment the system was never 100% functional
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So that's all right, then.
 
BStrong said:
The corporation that I'm employed by made the mistake of contracting with Tyco/Johnson Controls for a security camera system on our property.

At any given time past the first six months of a four year contract a minimum of 25% of the cameras would be down, with 50% down at times.

Tyco'Johnson not only blew off our service requests (their responsibility by contract), when we withhold payment in proportion to the system outage they couldn't understand why. and threatened us with legal action.

One letter from our counsel put the brakes on that, but until the day T/J came out to remove their equipment the system was never 100% functional
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Yes. And ironically, in a well-known 2007 non-US murder case (and botched/improper investigation and prosecutions) with which Vixen and I are both very familiar........

...... there were a number of council-operated and privately-operated security cameras which could potentially have proved conclusively whether certain individuals had travelled to the murder location and back again, at the relevant times. However, it appears that NOT ONE of those cameras was working properly (save for a limited-assistance and very low-quality stills camera within a parking garage).

The outage of security cameras in this case is in no way positive evidence of some sort of conspiracy and malpractice.
 
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LondonJohn said:
He may have had any number of reasons to go to Saudi Arabia. And if so, what he wouldn't have wanted was a passport issued in a Jewish name (let alone the possibility of having a passport with Israeli immigration stamps in it - which are an automatic disbarring to many arab nations (including Saudi Arabia)).







Yes I know all about the history. And yes, animal-fur hats in dark colours were indeed very common (amongst those who could afford them) in central European countries in those times. But the fur hats adopted by orthodox Jews were not "Cossack hats". They were - and are - a completely different style of hat. Called a shtreimel. So if you claim that orthodox jewish men wear/wore "cossack hats", you'd be wrong.
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Look, it is simply a variation of a common headwear in cold countries, especially Russia. That's the explanation of why they carry on wearing them in sunny Israel. 26ºC even in the 'cool season' in November.


Why would Epstein, a US citizen, not an Israeli immigrant/migrant, be roaming Middle Eastern countries as a maths teacher, anyway?

What profession gets issued false documents as part of their job and with impunity? Intelligence agents and undercover cops, that's who.
 
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catsmate said:
So what? He doesn't get to "rule" anything.
Baden is a self-aggrandising crank. He's the same nutter who testified that OJ was innocent, and that Phil Spector's victim was a suicide, in addition to being a paid-for FOX commentator. He smells a new book.
His history of mishandling evidence meant he lasted less than a year as CME in New York. Suffolk County also fired him from his coronial job.
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But three bones in his neck were fractured, were they not?
 
LondonJohn said:
Yes. And ironically, in a well-known 2007 non-US murder case (and botched/improper investigation and prosecutions) with which Vixen and I are both very familiar........

...... there were a number of council-operated and privately-operated security cameras which could potentially have proved conclusively whether certain individuals had travelled to the murder location and back again, at the relevant times. However, it appears that NOT ONE of those cameras was working properly (save for a limited-assistance and very low-quality stills camera within a parking garage).

The outage of security cameras in this case is in no way positive evidence of some sort of conspiracy and malpractice.
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I hardly think a semi-underground public car park is the equivalent of a top security 'correctional institution'. False equivalence.
 
Vixen said:
I hardly think a semi-underground public car park is the equivalent of a top security 'correctional institution'. False equivalence.
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The security cameras at my 51 room motel are better than the County Jail. We've been told this multiple times by our local police when they come to review footage.

Out at Fort Ord there is a Department of Defense installation with all of the latest security tech: motion sensors, high steel fence, turnstiles, and powerful cameras. Problem is that those powerful cameras are great when they're working, but when they're not they're just window dressing.
 
Axxman300 said:
The security cameras at my 51 room motel are better than the County Jail. We've been told this multiple times by our local police when they come to review footage.

Out at Fort Ord there is a Department of Defense installation with all of the latest security tech: motion sensors, high steel fence, turnstiles, and powerful cameras. Problem is that those powerful cameras are great when they're working, but when they're not they're just window dressing.
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And the reason the security cameras were not working just as Epstein was taken out topped himself was because they are not supposed to, according to you.

Common sense should tell you all you need to know.
 
Vixen said:
What about Epstein (a US citizen) being in the possession of an Austrian passport and giving a Saudi Arabian address as his residence? All of this smacks of undercover agent.
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Only to the utterly clueless.
 
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