UK - December 2019 General Election

[Mr Fied]

Defeat - Callaghan
Defeat - Foot
Defeat - Kinnock
Defeat - Kinnock
Win - Blair
Win - Blair
Win - Blair
Defeat - Brown
Defeat - Miliband
Defeat - Corbyn
Defeat - Corbyn

Spot the pattern.

Unfortunately I believe the country was robbed of who would have been the best Labour PM since Clement Atlee by the untimely death of John Smith.

I honestly believe he would have won multiple elections and changed this country for the better.

Oh for an honest and principled politician. Not many about since the deaths of John Smith and Lord Sutch.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

It would behoove neoliberals who constantly prattle about "the popular vote" to check out the distribution of seats won by Labour. The residential population of London was c. 9.25M in 2011 and has undoubtedly grown substantially since then. Vibrantly diverse London is now the "Labour Heartland" - subtract this massive voting bloc from your "popular vote" and see what you're left with.

 

[LondonJohn]

You ever heard of jokes, Old Mother Hubbard? This city isn't daft enough to think folks like you will ever see the light, but there's nothing wrong with trying to cheer each other up before Boris slides himself inside us sans lube.

Uhhhhhh what? I have literally no idea where this came from. Obviously it means something to you though.........

 

[Tolls]

It would behoove neoliberals who constantly prattle about "the popular vote" to check out the distribution of seats won by Labour. The residential population of London was c. 9.25M in 2011 and has undoubtedly grown substantially since then. Vibrantly diverse London is now the "Labour Heartland" - subtract this massive voting bloc from your "popular vote" and see what you're left with.

How about subtracting all the rural constituencies from the popular vote?

In other words, carving out a chunk of the country to try and somehow show there isn't a majority opposed to the Tories is daft.

 

[Darat]

In the "you couldn't make it up", friends of mine who are grandparents and are for Brexit, Johnson and voted Tory were complaining last night about the 6 hours they had to spend in AE for one of the grandkids to have a cut on the head! Apparently that is terrible.

ETA to get a cut on the head seen to, not to get a cut on the head, we've not quite got to the stage of the NHSs deliberately injuring people!

 

[Vixen]

In the "you couldn't make it up", friends of mine who are grandparents and are for Brexit, Johnson and voted Tory were complaining last night about the 6 hours they had to spend in AE for one of the grandkids to have a cut on the head! Apparently that is terrible.

ETA to get a cut on the head seen to, not to get a cut on the head, we've not quite got to the stage of the NHSs deliberately injuring people!

People just don't make the connection between the political and the personal.

Your friends are sure to be complaining about the long queues at the border in the near future at Passport Control.

Hello? You voted for it.

 

[Vixen]

Coming back to London for Christmas I was struck by how, at Heathrow Airport, the border controls spent years and a great deal of money investing in e-gates for people from the EU to get through speedily. Only fully completed in the last year or so, it's kinda ironic the hugely IT-extensive and expensive project is now not needed.

 

[The Don]

In the "you couldn't make it up", friends of mine who are grandparents and are for Brexit, Johnson and voted Tory were complaining last night about the 6 hours they had to spend in AE for one of the grandkids to have a cut on the head! Apparently that is terrible.

ETA to get a cut on the head seen to, not to get a cut on the head, we've not quite got to the stage of the NHSs deliberately injuring people!

Well if it wasn't for all the horrible brown people and Eastern Europeans, the NHS wouldn't be under such strain

 

[The Don]

Coming back to London for Christmas I was struck by how, at Heathrow Airport, the border controls spent years and a great deal of money investing in e-gates for people from the EU to get through speedily. Only fully completed in the last year or so, it's kinda ironic the hugely IT-extensive and expensive project is now not needed.

It would be a delicious irony if the EU citizens can continue to use the e-gates while we Brits have to stand in a long queue.

 

[Vixen]

A&E has always meant a long wait. If you need A&E ring up your GP and get a referral from him or her so that way you are (relatively) fast-tracked.

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Coming back to London for Christmas I was struck by how, at Heathrow Airport, the border controls spent years and a great deal of money investing in e-gates for people from the EU to get through speedily. Only fully completed in the last year or so, it's kinda ironic the hugely IT-extensive and expensive project is now not needed.

No you weren't. E-gates can be used by people with passports from the UK, EEA, White Commonwealth and rich countries.

Website

 

[Vixen]

No you weren't. E-gates can be used by people with passports from the UK, EEA, White Commonwealth and rich countries.

Website

That seems correct for now. According to Heathrow's webpage re Brexit changes:

Q: Do EU Citizens require 6 months validity on their passport to enter the UK?
A: EU citizens can still enter the UK using a passport which expires in less than 6 months.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

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Q: Can EU citizens still use Heathrow’s e-gates?
A: EU citizens will be able to enter and leave the UK as they do now, using e-gates when
travelling on a biometric passport.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit
Q: What will EU citizens need to show at the UK Border?
A: What you need to show at the UK border will not change, even if the UK leaves the EU
without a deal. You’ll need to show a valid passport or national identity card if you’re a
citizen of either:
• an EU country
• Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Switzerland
Q: Will EU citizens need a visa to enter the UK?
A: If you’re an Irish citizen, you’ll be able to enter the UK without a visa, as you can now.
You’ll be able to enter the UK without a visa if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA
country, or Switzerland. The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is
still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizenof any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without
a visa but only for up to 3 months. The government website advises EU citizens to continue
to check the website for updates.
Q: Can I still use my European Identity Card to enter the UK?
A: HMG have confirmed that EU citizens will be able to continue to use European Identity
Cards to enter the UK after we leave the EU.
Q: I’m a UK citizen. Which lane should I join at immigration at Heathrow?
A: UK citizens will be able to enter and leave the UK as they do now, either using the UK &
EU lane, or using e-gates when travelling on a biometric passport

Security:

Q: Will security at Heathrow change after Brexit?
A: If there is no EU Exit deal, most passengers will not experience any difference in aviation
security screening. The UK will continue to apply robust aviation security measures and
prioritise passenger safety and security. The European Commission has also proposed
measures to avoid extra security screening of passengers from the UK when transferring to
onward flights at EU airports:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/passenger-travel-to-the-eu-by-air-rail-or-sea-after-brexit
Q: Will my security experience at Heathrow change after the UK leaves the EU?
A: Even if there’s no deal, the government says that airport security procedures will not
change for direct flights to and from the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-brexit

https://www.heathrow.com/content/dam/heathrow/web/common/documents/faq/brexit-faq.pdf

 

[Darat]

A&E has always meant a long wait. If you need A&E ring up your GP and get a referral from him or her so that way you are (relatively) fast-tracked.

No it doesn't work that way, you are triaged no matter whether it is a referral from a GP. My mother has been rushed to A&E too many times to count, she's never waited for treatment to start.

 

[Information Analyst]

It would behoove neoliberals who constantly prattle about "the popular vote" to check out the distribution of seats won by Labour. The residential population of London was c. 9.25M in 2011 and has undoubtedly grown substantially since then.

No it wasn't. It was "only" 8.9 million last year.

Vibrantly diverse London is now the "Labour Heartland" - subtract this massive voting bloc from your "popular vote" and see what you're left with.

Please feel free to post the figures. Don't forget that you'll also need to subtract Tories votes from their total, as well.

 

[Mojo]

In the "you couldn't make it up", friends of mine who are grandparents and are for Brexit, Johnson and voted Tory were complaining last night about the 6 hours they had to spend in AE for one of the grandkids to have a cut on the head! Apparently that is terrible.

ETA to get a cut on the head seen to, not to get a cut on the head, we've not quite got to the stage of the NHSs deliberately injuring people!

A couple of days before the election the BBC showed a “vox pop” clip of a woman saying she was going to vote Tory because the future of the NHS was the most important issue.

 

[3point14]

A couple of days before the election the BBC showed a “vox pop” clip of a woman saying she was going to vote Tory because the future of the NHS was the most important issue.

Maybe her newspaper misled her?

Just a guess...

 

[Darat]

A couple of days before the election the BBC showed a “vox pop” clip of a woman saying she was going to vote Tory because the future of the NHS was the most important issue.

I posted about a woman from Blyth that voted Tory because she wanted more money spent in the North.

 

[Mojo]

Maybe her newspaper Prime Minister misled her?

FTFY.

 

[3point14]

FTFY.

Yeah, but it wouldn't matter if the press actually pointed this out.

Boris was allowed to lie with impunity.

A free and honest press corps would have produced a different result.


Democracy in the UK now consists of choosing between two options both of which are acceptable to press barons in tax exile. Anything falling outside that scope gets a full on character assassination regardless of the realities of the situation.

 

[Mojo]

Yeah, but it wouldn't matter if the press actually pointed this out.

Boris was allowed to lie with impunity.

A free and honest press corps would have produced a different result.


Democracy in the UK now consists of choosing between two options both of which are acceptable to press barons in tax exile. Anything falling outside that scope gets a full on character assassination regardless of the realities of the situation.

It’s not so much that the lies aren’t pointed out, more that, even ice they are, a significant proportion of the electorate either don’t believe the press, or just don’t seem to care.