How Long Will the Impeachment Trial Last?

How long will the impeachment trial last?

  • One hour or less

    Votes: 8 14.0%

  • One day or less

    Votes: 16 28.1%

  • One week or less

    Votes: 11 19.3%

  • One month or less.

    Votes: 15 26.3%

  • It'll still be going on Planet X in 2219.

    Votes: 7 12.3%
  • Total voters
    57
Trebuchet said:
As far as I know, the procedure is that the House must hand-deliver the Articles to the Senate before a trial can be held.
When I started the poll, it simply didn't occur to me that impeaching but withholding the Articles could possibly be an option. It still makes no sense.
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It makes all the sense in the world.

McConnell has already declared he has no intention of conducting a fair trial and he's coordinating with the White House.

The argument against impeachment has been that the Senate won't convict him any way.

The argument for impeaching Trump has been at least there will be a trial where the public can learn the facts.

But the GOP has said publicly over and over again they have no intention of holding a fair trial with witnesses. They will call no witnesses and then vote to acquit. WHAT KIND OF TRIAL IS THAT?

At least by witholding the articles, the Senate cannot acquit and exonerate Trump.

If the GOP plan to play dirty, than dirty is what they get.
 
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acbytesla said:
At least by witholding the articles, the Senate cannot acquit and exonerate Trump.
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Yes they can and they will.

The Constitution doesn't say the Impeachment Articles have to be hand delivered via an albino virgin flanked by 20 white doves on the full Harvest moon before the Senate is allowed to vote on it. It says once the House votes to impeach the Senate votes to convict. The first step has occurred. The House has voted to impeach. This is a fact and it is not in dispute. It's AT the Senate regardless of what the House says about the matter. Stop arguing procedural technicality to people who barely understand reality.
 
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Cabbage said:
Hopefully it will last long enough for you to realize it's not about Hillary losing 2016, it's about a criminal that won. Maybe you should try rereading the post you just quoted.....and do try paying attention to what it says this time.
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democratic complacency helped him win.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yes they can and they will.

The Constitution doesn't say the Impeachment Articles have to be hand delivered via an albino virgin flanked by 20 white doves on the full Harvest moon before the Senate is allowed to vote on it. It says once the House votes to impeach the Senate votes to convict. The first step has occurred. The House has voted to impeach. This is a fact and it is not in dispute. It's AT the Senate regardless of what the House says about the matter. Stop arguing procedural technicality to people who barely understand reality.
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This isn't my first rodeo. I'm sorry, you're just wrong. Articles of impeachment have been drawn up and been voted on and not delivered to the Senate before.

There is a process, just like there is in the Senate. The House conducts the trial in the Senate. House managers need to be selected. A case is prepared. Then dates for the trial must be agreed on in conjunction with the Senate.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Yes they can and they will.

The Constitution doesn't say the Impeachment Articles have to be hand delivered via an albino virgin flanked by 20 white doves on the full Harvest moon before the Senate is allowed to vote on it. It says once the House votes to impeach the Senate votes to convict. The first step has occurred. The House has voted to impeach. This is a fact and it is not in dispute. It's AT the Senate regardless of what the House says about the matter. Stop arguing procedural technicality to people who barely understand reality.
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It would seem the people who run both houses of government know better than you. Because that does not appear to be the case. The articles need to be formally conveyed from one house to the other first. That's part of the process. And on the other side, the upper house needs to "accept" them in order to proceed to debate and vote, or in this case with the Senate trial of Trump.

And that has been the step which McConnell has been so profligate in NOT accepting lower house legislation that he doesn't like his masters will not allow. The vast majority of the lower house legislation passed since 2018 is currently in that actual "Pending" queue, awaiting the senate, led by McConnell, to accept it from Congress. There's masses of information about this, of course. And McConnell openly boasts of it to. He's made a sport of it, to be frank.

So, given this official process does exist, it is NOT true that legislation having been passed in the lower house is thus automatically IN the upper house. That impeachment legislation is right now still sitting with the Congress. Pelosi is playing Mitch at his own game. He can now insist it be passed up. In which case Pelosi can quite rightly insist that all the other pending legislation that is under McConnell's arse right now can be dealt with first. Then and only then might they send up the impeachment. And meanwhile, Trump sits charged with some pretty heavy crimes.

By the way, that also means he is effectively "out on bail". So if he tries to carry out more such crimes, and it is almost certain the blithering orange idiot will, there's no reason why this impeachment legislation can't be revisited, or another impeachment begun.
 
Norman Alexander said:
It would seem the people who run both houses of government know better than you. Because that does not appear to be the case. The articles need to be formally conveyed from one house to the other first. That's part of the process. And on the other side, the upper house needs to "accept" them in order to proceed to debate and vote, or in this case with the Senate trial of Trump.

And that has been the step which McConnell has been so profligate in NOT accepting lower house legislation that he doesn't like his masters will not allow. The vast majority of the lower house legislation passed since 2018 is currently in that actual "Pending" queue, awaiting the senate, led by McConnell, to accept it from Congress. There's masses of information about this, of course. And McConnell openly boasts of it to. He's made a sport of it, to be frank.

So, given this official process does exist, it is NOT true that legislation having been passed in the lower house is thus automatically IN the upper house. That impeachment legislation is right now still sitting with the Congress. Pelosi is playing Mitch at his own game. He can now insist it be passed up. In which case Pelosi can quite rightly insist that all the other pending legislation that is under McConnell's arse right now can be dealt with first. Then and only then might they send up the impeachment. And meanwhile, Trump sits charged with some pretty heavy crimes.

By the way, that also means he is effectively "out on bail". So if he tries to carry out more such crimes, and it is almost certain the blithering orange idiot will, there's no reason why this impeachment legislation can't be revisited, or another impeachment begun.
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I know Joe means well. He's just mistaken. A list of things must be done by both the House, the Senate as well as with the Supreme Court. Calendars must be set aside. If the House is not ready to press the case in the Senate, it's not ready. The Senate however is under a deadline once the articles have been delivered to the Senate. They can't just let an impeachment case hang in limbo. But they can end it quickly.
 
theprestige said:
Think about it. Only the Senate can decide how to the Senate conducts its business. All Pelosi can really say is, "I won't bring this case to you until you promise try it the way I want."

All McConnell has to do is say, "Okay, " and that's the end of impeachment.
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But it's not. Those articles can be delivered at any time. The House can even add articles to it in the upcoming year. Pelosi has a turd in a paper sack addressed to the US Senate. And just imagine what is uncovered in the next year? One day in the future, McConnell could easily be looking at a big flaming pile of crap on his doorstep.
 
theprestige said:
Withholding the articles from the Senate is probably the best Christmas present Pelosi could possibly give McConnell.
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If it means no impeachment trial ever then it's a great present for me too. Much better than Trump being found 'innocent', which at this point (with McConnell openly admitting to fixing the verdict) is the only possible outcome.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
In a few month's time it may be redundant. And then McConnell might not even have a doorstep for the big flaming pile of crap to land on.
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What I think is amusing is the suggestion that anyone knows what this means politically. It's like people who say they know there is a god and that they know the mind of god. How could they know that? I know I don't. But I also know damn well they don't either.

The same is true about the fallout of the impeachment and what happens if the Democrats don't send the articles to the Senate. I have an idea how both sides will try to sell it. But not a ******* clue how the public will react.
 
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